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How can irrational things be true

Postby Vadox » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:14 pm

How can irrational things be true such as existence of secret chiefs, messages from spirits? I know that this irrational knowledge comes from realms above abyss. Religion traditions used such wase phrases long time ago before thelemic magick shows up, so there we can say they also had attainment of realms above abyss.

If you cant explain rational so how you can be sure they exists?
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Re: How can irrational things be true

Postby Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:20 pm

How can rational things be true? The narrow bounds of reason don't have nearly enough room for truth.

It's a fair comparison to consider rational and irrational numbers. It might seem that rational numbers are sufficient to encompass all mathematical purposes until, for example, you want to find the circumference of a circle.
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Re: How can irrational things be true

Postby Joshua » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:22 pm

Irrational things exist conceptually and require no proof. Because our perception is limited by human sensory organs, and the universe is more vast than we know, it's easy to assume anything can be possible at some point somewhere
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Re: How can irrational things be true

Postby Mephisto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:31 pm

Irrational things can be true because certain phenomena take place on certain planes--these planes are mapped on the Tree of Life. The logical faculty is not the only faculty available to the Aspirant: the human mind, so far as I can tell, is limitless. There are a whole host of faculties besides that of Reason, and anyone who maintains that Reason is the end and limit of the human mind is a slave to Restriction.

When one mixes the planes there arise problems.
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Re: How can irrational things be true

Postby Mephisto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:40 pm

Gnosomai Emauton wrote:
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Person A could accept the claim, because being told something trivial is sufficient evidence for them.
Person B could choose to not accept (nor reject), until they saw a timestamped video.
Person C could reject the claim, because they had breakfast with me and saw me eating toast.

The scientific method in action. Each scientist can only work with the data at hir disposal. From that, s/he proposes a theory of reality. That theory is then subject to peer review. Lather, rinse, repeat.


Exactly. And this is why organizations such as The Temple and the A.'.A.'. have been working since the time of the Fama Fraternitatis (and all the way back to the Jewish Priesthood, really--and beyond) to impose proper Scientific Method upon what might be called "Religious" experience. There is some dispute among adherents as to whether such things as reincarnation, spirits, "other planes of reality," UFO's, and so forth exist...but then again there is plenty of dispute in all kinds of circles about what existence is in the first place.

The best that can be done is to work together as much as possible to assist in the positive evolution of the human race, and to solve the vast biological and social problems facing us today. It really does no one any good to get hung up on the petty details of purely abstract speculation. One has to work with what they have and know.
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