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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Takamba » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:42 am

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Abdulaziz, fyi I've hidden your comments, so if you've replied to me, I won't see it. I imagine it's something pro-nazi, and therefore idiotic.


Very mature, enlightened, and clearly the correct way to learn of the differences and win or lose an argument. Clearly the right thing to do.
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby danica » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:08 pm

Takamba wrote:seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.

My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out.


It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma :) See Bhagavad Gita.
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Takamba » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:59 am

danica wrote:
Takamba wrote:seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.

My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out.


It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma :) See Bhagavad Gita.


Exactly, Danica. Thank you! It's about the natural law(s).

Thelema. Karma. Dharma. What goes around comes around.

When I was a child, I was a bastard. Then I put away my childish ways and married a bitch. Does this make me a bad guy?

When I was a child, I was a goodly little boy. Then I put away my childish ways and I became a conformist. Does that make me a good guy?

Life will answer it's own.

When you were new to a thing, you were so different with that thing that in fact you accuse those who are that way of being evil. Does that make you wise?

The above are hints
of what I see
in this here tree
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Hermitas » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:12 pm

From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73

...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).

Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" [is] to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but [it is] also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.

https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-wit ... ars/mwt_73
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Takamba » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:49 pm

Hermitas wrote:From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73

...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).

Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" [is] to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but [it is] also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.

https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-wit ... ars/mwt_73


Yes. Assert the sovereignty of the individual, do away with class consciousness (which will also do away with your own consciousness of "classes" to accuse). Resist resistance to individual sovereignty with resistance and you will instead achieve maximum resistance. I say the Law of Thelema and natural law are reconciling each other. To obey the law of Thelema will be to watch the natural law play out and thin the herd.

I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign.

sovereign.

Not the slaves.

Let them divide, then we conquer.
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby danica » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:29 pm

Hermitas wrote:From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73

...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).

Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" [is] to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but [it is] also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.

https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-wit ... ars/mwt_73


Thanks for the quote.

Takamba wrote:I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign.


"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?

So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love :)

But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't.
"Write, & find ecstasy in writing! Work, & be our bed in working! Thrill with the joy of life & death! Ah! thy death shall be lovely: whoso seeth it shall be glad. Thy death shall be the seal of the promise of our age long love. Come! lift up thine heart & rejoice! We are one; we are none."
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Takamba » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:31 am

danica wrote:
Hermitas wrote:From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73

...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).

Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" [is] to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but [it is] also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.

https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-wit ... ars/mwt_73


Thanks for the quote.

Takamba wrote:I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign.


"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?

So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love :)

But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't.


My third time reading it was on my wedding night when I introduced it to my wife for her first time reading it. That was decades ago. I've read it four times now. I've never read any commentary on it. That I will do next. I found a book (then lost it, but will find it again) called "The Bhagavad Gita As It Is." I didn't read it. I found it at a garage sale, I carried it around for a day, I showed a few friends, I lost it. The day went to pot. You make me think of it. I should order a copy from an online seller.
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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby Hermitas » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:28 am

But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't.


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Re: Hitler and Master Therion

Postby danica » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:49 am

Takamba wrote: I found a book (then lost it, but will find it again) called "The Bhagavad Gita As It Is." I didn't read it. I found it at a garage sale, I carried it around for a day, I showed a few friends, I lost it.


I personally find this edition not satisfying (too much commentary, and the language of translation does not sit well with me). The simple Penguin one is OK.
I have yet to find an English edition that I'm fully happy with.
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