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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:02 pm

That addition is david's addition, not a standard distinction.

On the last paragraph, I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between the Greater and the Supreme. The GD had no Greater, only a Lesser and a Supreme. In Liber O, the Supreme is renamed the Greater. I have reverted to calling it Supreme because there IS a Greater Ritual of the Pentagram that has never been published, so I'm pretty sure it's not what you mean.
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby fraterlei » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:19 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:That addition is david's addition, not a standard distinction.

On the last paragraph, I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between the Greater and the Supreme. The GD had no Greater, only a Lesser and a Supreme. In Liber O, the Supreme is renamed the Greater. I have reverted to calling it Supreme because there IS a Greater Ritual of the Pentagram that has never been published, so I'm pretty sure it's not what you mean.


Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, the Supreme I've read includes different enochian invocations (EXARP, for example), kerubic smbols drawn into each Pentagram, plus the Invocation of the Archangels at the end. Probably not what you meant either.

In Griffin's Manual, which currently serves as a basis for the GD student, there are difference between the Greater, which are for invoking/banishing specific elements, and Supreme, which are for balance the four elements. That's why I asked, I'm slowly shifting from a GD to a more holistic perspective, so I still confuse a thing or two. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:26 pm

Yeah, that's all David's thing. On the premise of "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice," I'll drop out of this thread now.
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby starfire » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:23 pm

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Is it necessary to do a LBRP or Star Ruby before doing the GRP ?
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby fraterlei » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:55 pm

raven27 wrote:93

Is it necessary to do a LBRP or Star Ruby before doing the GRP ?


I always banish before invoking. Now, if you're using GRP to banish, I don't think it's necessary a LBRP.
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby starfire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:07 pm

I always banish before invoking. Now, if you're using GRP to banish, I don't think it's necessary a LBRP.


I figured that would make sense. .
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby danica » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:00 am

Jim, question about the Supreme Invoking Ritual of Pentagram:

is it to be done on its own, like the "generic" LBRP, or the Invoking should be followed by Banishing?
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:21 am

danica wrote:Jim, question about the Supreme Invoking Ritual of Pentagram:

is it to be done on its own, like the "generic" LBRP, or the Invoking should be followed by Banishing?

Though there could be exceptions, one generally wants to banish after invoking.

One exception: The Supreme Ritual, due to its wholeness, could be used as a type of Abramelin ritual (notice its structural similarity to Liber Samekh, for example). If one were working in a set-aside temple that had already been cleansed and consecrated, and wasn't used for anything else, and performed this (alone, or as part of a larger set) daily for a specific period of time, then one wouldn't banish after. In such an operation, one just keeps one's psyche on high simmer in the crock pot.

In fact, as a parallel, remember that no banishing rituals (only invoking rituals) are ever performed in the Vault of the Adepts; and this ritual is one that is suitable to perform in that place, or another place consecrated in the same way.

However, those are special cases. In general, one banishes after invoking (for a whole lot of good reasons).
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby danica » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:54 am

Thank you.

After a good decade of daily LBRP, I felt the need to switch to daily SRP. Performed the Invoking this morning, and the observable effects - I can say so far that the word "supreme" in its title is not an idle word! :D

I work in an improvised Temple, it's a shared room during most of the day, except when I withdraw there for mystical & magical practices (usually twice daily). Currently, I have a week for solitary use of this space.

Will go for now with the banishing in the evening.
Until a suitable Temple-space appears :D
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Quaestor Lucis » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:47 am

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Mr. Eshelman, I have question about SRP of four elements: in what color should one visualize the pentagrams and especially the connecting line?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:12 pm

Quaestor Lucis wrote:Mr. Eshelman, I have question about SRP of four elements: in what color should one visualize the pentagrams and especially the connecting line?

I recommend seeing the background in the elemental colors, and the pentagrams on them in the flashing colors, e.g., green on red for Fire.

For the four elements, it gets complicated. Here's where you need to trust your astral senses more than your imagination and, perhaps, try not to be obsessive about transitions. Each quarter thus has a different background color, the line changes color between them etc.; I think it a (minor) mistake to try to force it too extremely, e.g., making sure the room is exact quadrants etc., though often it will turn out this way by the end. Reality gets fuzzy mid-quadrant, but quite acute and concentrated at the quarters where the pentagrams appear.
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Re: Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram

Postby Quaestor Lucis » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:20 am

Thank you! But how about the spirit pentagrams? Black on white for active one and white on black for passive one? Or how? Do you imagine the spirit wheel in its center?
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