Function of Gratitude in Magick

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Re: Function of Gratitude in Magick

Postby mark0987 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:41 am

93,

Has anybody heard of the Law of Attraction movement? I went to a meeting and it reminded of this thread. Love is the Law (of attraction) in the universe. You can believe it or not but it still works just as you can disbelieve in gravity but that still works.


I have, I also believe a myriad of books have been written on the subject and I also don't believe I would buy one......simply because they aren't uncovering anything new. I believe the most famous book is called 'The Secret' by Rhonda Byrne? I read half of it years ago after finding it in the library......she could have summed the whole thing up in the length of an essay, but that wouldn't have made money.

Donald Michael Kraig in his book 'Modern Magick' covers the same material in a sub-chapter I believe and also gives an example of putting it to good use via the use of affirmation and visualisation. Personally I believe for the law of attraction to work it must be in accordance with your true will, which you may or may not know. For example if it is my true will to remain wealthy enough to be comfortable, but not to be rich, then no matter how hard I try that lottery ticket isn't going to be a winner......

I have never linked it to love under will before- the union of yourself with your goal via visualisation and affirmation.....makes sense.

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Re: Function of Gratitude in Magick

Postby Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:09 pm

The feeling of gratitude opens the heart. It's worth inducing forf practical reasons,
Love is the law, love under will.
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Re: Function of Gratitude in Magick

Postby mark0987 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:53 am

93,

I honestly can't see why people would need a practice to feel gratitude. Sure we all have our bad days, but on most days I would like to think most people are happy. I am thankful for the fact I have a roof over my head, I am gaining an education in an area I love, I have friends and family who care about me and I them......I'm grateful for finding magick which means I am also grateful for the bad times which lead me to those sorts of practice.

I don't think it good to practice for magick, it is good to practice just anyway. Life is what you make of it and personally I'd rather not sit around feeling miserable all the time thinking I have nothing, I've been there, done that and didn't get a T-shirt. But I will say I don't think magick or yoga had anything to do with my change in view point it was an inner psychological process. (I suppose it could be magick if we use AC's definiton.)

One thing which the secret and law of attraction states is that if you sit around feeling miserable and have bad thoughts, that is what you are going to attract to yourself. Even if you don't want to have a magical explanation- if you choose to view the world as a horrible place and your life as bad, you will perceive every event which happens in your life as bad. You will act differently and society and people will react differently because of this. Not to mention that feeling miserable can lead to all sorts of illnesses created by the mind. If it leads to prolonged stress you're already screwed because that leads to all sorts of things.

If you perceive things as good, you will feel good. People like happy people and they will be different around happy people. I'm not a fluffy 'rainbows and unicorns' person, we all have bad days, but the majority of the time I would like to think that most human beings are happy. Of course they must be doing what they want to do, what they enjoy doing, which is probably in accordance with their true will....if they aren't doing that or aren't listening to their own body and mind when it tries to tell them something is wrong, they are in a situation they can't get out of.

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Re: Function of Gratitude in Magick

Postby mark0987 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:30 am

I personally think one of the greatest contributions to psychology is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, it is by far the most widely used, and the most effective form of therapy out there for those who are thinking negative thoughts all the time.

It is therefore my opinion that one of the best contributions to the occult field is David Shoemacher's book chapter and podcast on the importance of CBT and how it can benefit everyone......of course some people will need to see a professional to help them walk through bigger problems etc. But for those who just wish to apply something to everyday life in which we have no problems, yet there is room for improvement, I think everyone should read/listen to his thoughts.

I've never practiced Jugorum, I don't like the thought of cutting myself. But the second practice (I think) where one endeavours to control thought must have some effect on the vigilance of thoughts and give some degree of control over the mind....I think the practice is there for a reason other than just not thinking about pronouns.....
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Re: Function of Gratitude in Magick

Postby mark0987 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:42 am

93,

Maybe Liber Legis should be introduced in these LOA seminars? Dost thou fail? Art thou sorry? Is fear in thine heart? Where I am these are not. Pity not the fallen! I never knew them. I am not for them or "stamp down the wretched and the weak" or "ecstacy and joy of earth" and so on. I'm being facetious (towards LOA folk) in a friendly way.


I agree in a way.....a lot of people read these books chant affirmations for a winning lottery ticket and give up two months later. I also don't like the thought of people thinking they can get what they want, I would like to think a Thelemite would want to get what they need in order to accomplish their will.


Jugorum in the new aeon is not about slicing our skin. We've discussed this a lot around these parts. You just need to diarize your breaks.


I will give it a try one day, but I will probably use the rubber band trick or Wilson's biting the thumb trick, I believe that pain and negative reinforcement will have an effect on the mind rather than just writing down.

As for ascribing the distortions to the sephiroth, I would find it hard. For one the supernal triad are very abstract I feel it would be hard to map these things on to them, some are a little easier...but ultimately my brain is too tired to think at the minute.

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