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Jim Eshelman wrote:There is a similar reaction, to a similar thing, in one of the upper Aethyr visions in The Vision & the Voice. I'm forgetting which one right now. (Looking now...) Ah, here it is. See the Vison of the 6th Aethyr.
And all this which I have seen (being all the thoughts that I have ever thought) is, as it were, a guardian of the Aethyr.
None shall pass by me except he slay me, and this is his curse, that, having slain me, he must take my office and become the maker of Illusions, the great deceiver, the setter of snares; he who baffleth even them that have understanding. For I stand on every path, and turn them aside from the truth by my words, and by my magick arts.
Dar es Alrah wrote:Archaeus wrote:Each small step up the tree, and each little glimpse of the road ahead, seems like enlightenment at first glance.
This causes initiates to rest on their laurels for a period after each successive "initiation".
This is why we need "Dark nights of the soul" to show us that something is not quite right.
Lets face it, if we were perfectly content we would not trouble ourselves to do the work.
Discontent is what drives us onwards, therefore, cherish discontent.
Sometimes a good mystery can be just as good.
Nuit says 'existence is pure joy'. Not just 'Tiphareth' but all existence - including Yesod and Malkuth.
As the personification of spacetime, Nuit's view seems to be in direct contradiction to the Buddhist view that dis-ease is a quality of all sentient beings...
Who/What do you think Nuit is in the Buddhist mythos - and what are the implications of this regarding the work?
Jim Eshelman wrote:;) I should have said that I long ago stopped worrying (most of the time) about whether anything is true. The correct question is usually whether it is useful.
You don't get away without lying. You just have to pick your lies carefully so that a particular auditor is likely to come to a true conclusion.
Dar es Alrah wrote:Isn't Yesod the 'Treasure house of images?'
Take the energy up and away from Malkuth and Yesod and the images disappear. All there is left below is the black and empty matter of the material body receding away.
Of course, the Buddha's say everything is unsatisfactory also. And I wouldn't say that exactly.
Dar es Alrah wrote:And I consider Nuit - the consciousness of spacetime - to be identical to the Atman.
That sounds like I'm disagreeing doesn't it? lol. I'm not. I agree there is no self/persona really. Yet consciousness is a pervasive quality of spacetime/yesod nevertheless - and I call this Atman.
Dar es Alrah wrote:Jim Eshelman wrote:
Dar es Alrah wrote:
And I consider Nuit - the consciousness of spacetime - to be identical to the Atman.
Hmmm... agreeing more than disagreeing (it's another definitions thing).Speifically:
I don't consider Nuit as "consciousness of spacetime." I consider Nuit to be spacetime.
Definitely a definition thing. Nuit is both. Perhaps 'consciousness 'in' spacetime would have been a better way to put it.
Jim Eshelman wrote:I ended up defining each of the "three characteristics" in ways that applied only to Assiah and Yetzirah (paraphrased as "physical and psychological"). FWIW, here they are:
DUKKHA. n. Buddhism. One of three characteristics that all things have. Often translated “sorrow” or “suffering,” a more nuanced translation would be “dissatisfaction.” The principle is that all things physical and psychological are ultimately insufficient or unsatisfying.
ANIKKA. n. Buddhism. One of three characteristics that all things have. It means “impermanence,” i.e., that all things physical and psychological are continually changing.
ANATTA. n. Buddhism. One of three characteristics that all things have. It means “not-self” (no atman, “self”). At one level of understanding, it means that nothing physical or psychological that one can witness is oneself.
Frater 639 wrote: only a ________ that has no observer can be Not. But yet there is the potential of something to manifest.
And the manifest creates the opposite -- the non-manifest -- by virtue of the thought.
Anyway, good Venus day conversation.
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