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Postby --- » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:03 am

The number 217 has become quite significant to me in the last few months. I've already done some work with gematria and correspondences (using 777 and Sepher Sephiroth as well as some online sources and the appendix of Achad's QBL), so I know a lot of the basics. I guess I was just hoping to solicit anything anyone's worked out on this number. It doesn't seem to be one that's gotten much attention anywhere. I don't have much in Greek and nothing in Latin, so that would be great, if anyone's got anything there.

Also, is there anyone here who can comment on whether or not NMLA YVMM (something like "filled by day"--217 also, or 777 by mem-final) is correctly formed Hebrew? I've seen the correspondence in a couple of online gematria sites, but can't track down any source for it. The individual words both appear in the Old Testament, but not together. It's a nice correspondence with the lines I've been working along...
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Re: 217

Postby Uni_Verse » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:35 am

I meditated on the number and came up with this:

Taken from Sepher Sphiroth:
217 = The Air = Temple = The navel

"The Temple of the Air is the Navel" = (217 x 3) = 651= Temurah

Also, Prince Stolas of the Goetia (651) [Shin - Yod - Lamed - Vav - Teth - Shin].
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Re: 217

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:46 am

There may be a misperception here that MORE attributions will give more understanding. I doubt that this is the case, at least for the primary level of understanding. I imagine the number is expressing itself to you based on what you already have available.

If I were at home and had 20-30 minutes, I could give you every word totallying 217 anywhere in the Torah. I'm not sure that would help you.

One approach that might not have occurred to you - one which cuts to the essence of the number, independent of word attributions, etc. - is to write the number in Hebrew (Resh, Yod, Zayin) and place these three Tarot cards (The Sun, The Hermit, The Lovers) side-by-side and meditate on them. That's the essence of the number.

The number fractors to 7 x 31. Follow out lead. Also try to see how it is the result of the 7th Path (Netzach) expressing through the 31st Path (Shin).

Iamus wrote:Also, is there anyone here who can comment on whether or not NMLA YVMM (something like "filled by day"--217 also, or 777 by mem-final) is correctly formed Hebrew?

For a quick-and-dirty": http://translate.google.com translates it. I don't think it inflected it right, it translates "filled day," so there is some subtlety to be finessed - but it recognizes the individual words.

Yomim is often translated "by day," though that also could by be-yom or some similar form. So it's more like, "of or pertaining to the day." Nimla means "filled," or "it is filled." Without digging into it with good references, I'd think it meant "It is filled daily."
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Re: 217

Postby --- » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:57 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:There may be a misperception here that MORE attributions will give more understanding. I doubt that this is the case, at least for the primary level of understanding. I imagine the number is expressing itself to you based on what you already have available.
I was thinking that more meant more options, but point taken. I think I may be guilty of trying to force the number to be what I wanted it to be (and so searching for a way to do that) rather than letting it be what it is, and what it meant in the context it appeared in (a name that summed to it).

One approach that might not have occurred to you - one which cuts to the essence of the number, independent of word attributions, etc. - is to write the number in Hebrew (Resh, Yod, Zayin) and place these three Tarot cards (The Sun, The Hermit, The Lovers) side-by-side and meditate on them. That's the essence of the number.
No, that had definitely not occurred to me. I had done something similar with letters of the name, but not the number itself. Those three cards already look promising...

The number fractors to 7 x 31. Follow out lead. Also try to see how it is the result of the 7th Path (Netzach) expressing through the 31st Path (Shin).
Yes, 31 x 7 has been a good part of how I was investigating it. I was definitely looking at 7 as Netzach/Venus, but I hadn't thought to use 31 as a Path # as well, but that works quite nicely, I think--and seem so obvious now. I had been looking at 31 as LA and/or AL.

Thanks for all your help, Jim!
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Re: 217

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:21 pm

A few things you may not have access to:

In Latin Qabbalah Simplex, 217 is:
FLATUS IGNIS AQUA TERRA - Air, Fire, Water, Earth; F.I.A.T.
LEGIS PLENITUDO CARITAS - Love is the fullness of the law
PULCHRITUDO VISQUE - Beauty and strength

The most important standard Hebrew reference to 217 is something you may not know:
BHYR (Bahir) - Clear, bright, articulate, transparent. Name of the mode of consciousness attributed to Beth ion The 32 Paths of Wisdom.

There are 21 different words in the Torah that enumerate to 217. Most are relatively uninteresting :roll:
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Re: 217

Postby --- » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:04 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:The most important standard Hebrew reference to 217 is something you may not know:
BHYR (Bahir) - Clear, bright, articulate, transparent. Name of the mode of consciousness attributed to Beth ion The 32 Paths of Wisdom.

Yes, I had found BHYR, but I was not aware of its attribution to Beth.

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The number fractors to 7 x 31. Follow out lead. Also try to see how it is the result of the 7th Path (Netzach) expressing through the 31st Path (Shin).
Yes, 31 x 7 has been a good part of how I was investigating it. I was definitely looking at 7 as Netzach/Venus, but I hadn't thought to use 31 as a Path # as well, but that works quite nicely, I think--and seem so obvious now.

Something was bothering me about this, and I realized last night what it was. In the explanation section in 777 in the Col. I (The Key Scale) section, Crowley writes
the numbers subsequent to 10 are not to be considered real numbers. The figures have been assigned to them arbitrarily for convenience only. Thus there is no special sympathy between 11 and the letter Aleph which is referred to it.
That would seem to indicate that treating the 31 as related to Shin, the 31st path is not a legitimate correspondence. Do you disagree with Crowley on that point, or am I missing something, perhaps?

Oh, and F.I.A.T. is particularly helpful, I think, thanks.
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Re: 217

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:22 am

Iamus wrote:Yes, I had found BHYR, but I was not aware of its attribution to Beth.

The title of Beth in The 32 Paths of Wisdom, usually translated "Transparent Consciousness" (though "Clear Consciousness" is a little closer) is Sekel Bahiyr.

Iamus wrote:Something was bothering me about this, and I realized last night what it was. In the explanation section in 777 in the Col. I (The Key Scale) section, Crowley writes
the numbers subsequent to 10 are not to be considered real numbers. The figures have been assigned to them arbitrarily for convenience only. Thus there is no special sympathy between 11 and the letter Aleph which is referred to it.

That would seem to indicate that treating the 31 as related to Shin, the 31st path is not a legitimate correspondence. Do you disagree with Crowley on that point, or am I missing something, perhaps?

I don't agree with AC. Those numbers cut back to a pre-Zoharic period, and have their own importance. At least in terms of relationships to each other, much meaning is to be had in the sequence. Look, for example, how the exponents of 2 gradually unfold and complexify a single original idea in the sequence: 2 Chokmah, 4 Chesed, 8 Hod, 16 Vav, 32 Tav. Or see what new dimension of insight into Peh you get from the sequendce: 3 Binah, 9 Yesod, 27 Peh. - There is quite a lot of relevance of Aleph to 11 (I wrote an article on that somewhere in Black Pearl, maybe, coincidentally, in No. 11).
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Re: 217

Postby --- » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:46 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Look, for example, how the exponents of 2 gradually unfold and complexify a single original idea in the sequence: 2 Chokmah, 4 Chesed, 8 Hod, 16 Vav, 32 Tav. Or see what new dimension of insight into Peh you get from the sequendce: 3 Binah, 9 Yesod, 27 Peh.

Woah. Cool.
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Re: 217

Postby HRUMACHIS » Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:43 pm

According to The Great Beast 666 it is one of the Keys of AL, HVVR=217+RA=201=418+KHU=26=444. Of lesser note is 6x6x6=216+1=217.
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Re: 217

Postby --- » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:56 am

Dara Allarah, I'm not seeing the connection between what you posted and the number 217... And how does HDR=213? Heh-Daleth-Resh is 209, no?
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