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The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Vadox » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:44 am

What would help me to understand those three veils? What exactly are they?
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Re: The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:00 am

Vadox wrote:What would help me to understand those three veils? What exactly are they?

Ayin: Nothing. Get that there is nothing. You can conceive of this, for example, as infinite space with no point differentiated.

Next shift is to Ayin Soph: Limitless (i.e., Infinite). With nothing changing at all, understand that the same space consists of infinite nondimensional points. Their number is literally infinite.

Next shift is to Ayin Soph Or: Limitless Light. Here you need to understand the Tao a bit. Inherent within this infinite number of points exists some characteristic that results in natural movement (without anything necessarily going anywhere). Possibly this is the first intrusion of meaning, or possibly it is something inherent in the constiution of reality. This movement without movement has waves and flows. Perhaps it is the quantum characteristic that whether something is a particle or a wave is a matter of what preconception you bring to it. In any case, Ayin Soph is next experienced as light or life.

From this, a single point is selected - a single point of view from the infinite - and that singular point is the Kether of a particular Tree.
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Re: The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:18 am

Am I reading correctly that, from Kether out, the order is Ain Soph Aur, Ain Soph, and Ain?

I've always seen the veils written in the reverse of that above the tree. And I've always found that confusing.

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Re: The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:10 pm

There's a funny way usually used to diagram it. Yes, Ayin is the most rarefied, ASA right behind Kether.
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Re: The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:35 pm

Thank you

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Re: The Ain, soph aur thing.

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:24 pm

kasper81 wrote:those 3 veils the way they were explained there sound like Nuit, Hadit and Horus

I could see that. (Hadn't thught of it.)

In theory, Hadit doesn't manifest until Kether, and RHK is the child (say, the whole Tree of Life) that grows when that one Kether point is the seed in the womb of Big Mama Zero (Nuit).

However, we tend to see the such triads reflected over and over again as we movedown the Tree. No reason not to see them in this triad also.

Thanks, this mirroring was useful to me.
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