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question on 776 1/2 vs. 777

Postby howard » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:19 pm

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First off, hello to old friends, as well as to those of you I do not know.

This post is primarily for Jim Eshelman.

In 777, column CLXXVIII, AC lists entities as Geomantic Intelligences, these same (more or less) are listed in 776 1/2 as Archangels of Assiah. I have seen them listed in other places as either Angels or Archangels. My question is why are they listed in 777 as Geomantic Intelligences and why do you not follow suit in 776 1/2? And is there a definitive source that describes them as either Angels or Archangels? In other words, are they briatic or yetziratic beings?

Secondly, in a note to column 153 of 776 1/2, you discuss Paul Case's attributions of the Twelve Tribes of Israel which you use in this case. You write, "The present table is based, instead, on the later work of Paul Foster Case, whose Qabalistic researches into this matter warrant considerable respect." Is there any published material by PFC that details these attributes and his reasoning for the assignment?

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Re: question on 776 1/2 vs. 777

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:32 pm

howardb wrote:My question is why are they listed in 777 as Geomantic Intelligences and why do you not follow suit in 776 1/2? And is there a definitive source that describes them as either Angels or Archangels? In other words, are they briatic or yetziratic beings?

I can't speak for why Crowley labelled them as he did except to guess - and the guess is that the primary place he encountered them was in a G.D. 2nd Order paper where they were referenced as geomantic intelligences. (They are listed differently in a 4=7 paper of the same Order.)

I am certain beyond the slightest doubt that they are Briatic, though. I doubt I can give you a source - it comes from their place in the practical working hierarchies, certain 2nd Order papers in our possession (on use, without labelling them necessarily), and personal experience. One can always question my judgment, of course, but from personal experience they are precisely the same quality and nature as all those others taken for granted as archangels.

For a practical example - in zodiacal invocations, the selected Divine Name is normally followed by these names. That's exactly the right form if they are Briatic, and totally screwed up if they are Yetziratic.

Secondly, in a note to column 153 of 776 1/2, you discuss Paul Case's attributions of the Twelve Tribes of Israel which you use in this case. You write, "The present table is based, instead, on the later work of Paul Foster Case, whose Qabalistic researches into this matter warrant considerable respect." Is there any published material by PFC that details these attributes and his reasoning for the assignment?

Other than occasional remarks here and there, I'm unaware of anything by him available to the general public. His work on this is scattered across hundreds of pages of B.O.T.A. lessons, though. I don't remember if he ever gave the reasoning - I'd have to go back and reconstruct all the work I did at the time of composing the tables, on which I kept more notes. (I was more interested in giving the right attributions than in documenting profane source materials.)

I think it was a mixture of pre-Medieval Rabbinical material and the simplest possible reading of Jacob's blessings, but I could be remembering all wrong on that. The ultimate proof is in the alchemical implications and the Qabalistic interpretatins of certain biblical figures descended from the respective tribes.
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Postby bethata418 » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:49 pm

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i have heard of this 776 1/2, i have looked for it but couldnt find it :(

any suggestions of where i could find it?

if not any plans to re-publish it?

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Postby howard » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:56 pm

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

Thanks Jim for the reply. I was confused about the geomantic Intelligence reference because I could not find it in any of the GD materials I have on hand. I will have to review them again. I have also seen these listed as both Archangels and Angels in Regardie's "Golden Dawn" for instance where they show up as Archangels in the Philosophus Lecture section and as Angels in the Lotus Wand consecration and related 2nd Order material. I tend to agree with you as to them being Briatic.

As for the Twelve Tribes, I guess I will have to do more research. This question came up during some research and meditative work that I am currently involved in. I am familiar with Case's attributions and have worked with them over the years but I am interested in the why of it at this point in my work.

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