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What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Dao like, source of everything
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Sumerian/Akkadian rehashing
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Demiurge, good or evil
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Super evolved egregore
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Something else
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What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby MMA_Magus » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:32 pm

I have been researching Kabbalah for several years now, mesopotamian ancient history, gnosticism, and I also enjoy chaos magick. My question is what is your interpretation of YHVH?

1. From a kabbalistic view I see YHVH as something akin to the Dao, an all encompassing source of infinity that gives rise to the finite.

2. There is an obvious connections to older traditions in the bible. In Sumerian mythology Enlil causes the flood and Enki alerts Ziusudra (Noah) just to give one example.

3. The Gnostic view of YHVH as the Demiurge (I take a Valentinus view personally and don't see the demiurge as evil) but not the highest God or true source.

4. Chaos view of an egregore who has reached the level of godform long ago

5. Another perspective I haven't thought of.

Please share your reasons for your choice, thanks!
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby MMA_Magus » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:34 pm

I voted "something else" because personally, I think they are all true.
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Uni_Verse » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:59 am

I view YHVH as the structural pattern of existence, at least as far as one can comprehend consciously.
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Macsen Melinydd » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:53 am

My understanding is this:
YHVH is a formula for the nature of power, energy, as it exists in our reality.
It is raw force, without conscience or goal, other than to be used, discharged.
My understanding is based on revelatory experience, not(entirely) intellectual investigation, so take it for what it's worth.

Y - Electricity - Father(Hadit) - Fire - Atziluth - Chaos - Nigredo
H - Magnetism - Mother(Nuit) - Water - Briah - Order - Rubedo
V - Electromagnetic Spectrum - Son(Ra-Hoor-Khuit) - Air - Yetzirah - Perception - Citrinitas
H - Resonance - Daughter(Ma'at) - Earth - Assiah - Truth - Rubedo

And it goes on.

This information, while not a vigorous proof, has served my magick well.

What is consciousness but electricity? What is our brain but a highly specialized conductor? What is the Universe but consciousness? What is the Universe but electricity?(see--electric universe theory, Tesla, etc.)
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby MMA_Magus » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:34 am

Diluvium wrote:Y - Electricity - Father(Hadit) - Fire - Atziluth - Chaos - Nigredo


Its interesting that you place Atziluth with chaos. i was rereading the sefer yetzirah yesterday and was focusing on the 3 mother letters (mem, alef, shin) being part of the universe of chaos (tohu) and the 3 father letters (yud, vav, heh) coming from the mothers to make the universe of rectification. So in your understanding is Atziluth the realm of proto-sefirot?

Diluvium wrote:My understanding is this:
YHVH is a formula for the nature of power, energy, as it exists in our reality.
It is raw force, without conscience or goal, other than to be used, discharged.


Uni_Verse wrote:I view YHVH as the structural pattern of existence, at least as far as one can comprehend consciously.


Sounds like both of you could have chosen #1 as well. Without a personal mind/will do you see YHVH as any different from the Dao, or the demiurge force of creation?
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Macsen Melinydd » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:11 am

MMA_Magus wrote:Sounds like both of you could have chosen #1 as well. Without a personal mind/will do you see YHVH as any different from the Dao, or the demiurge force of creation?

Perhaps YHVH and the Tao are the same, but I am not one to know. I've never shared eye contact with a master Taoist, so I wouldn't be able to tell you if it behaves the same way within consciousness as a force of creation that YHVH does in Qabalistic mysticism. As a western mind, YHVH is the tool that is most ripe for use.

MMA_Magus wrote:Its interesting that you place Atziluth with chaos. i was rereading the sefer yetzirah yesterday and was focusing on the 3 mother letters (mem, alef, shin) being part of the universe of chaos (tohu) and the 3 father letters (yud, vav, heh) coming from the mothers to make the universe of rectification. So in your understanding is Atziluth the realm of proto-sefirot?

I place Atziluth as the realm of Chaos because it is(in the words of our beloved Jim) the realm of "unconditioned divinity". On account of the ineffable nature of that place, I find difficulty in elaborating further.
Point being that, if we are to accept that all aspects of reality have a fundamental "divine" nature to them, Chaos is by no means an inert disorder but a force simply beyond logical(ordered) apprehension(therefor unable to be conditioned by an observer), acting on systems to change and strive for higher complexity. At this level, there isn't even a question of sefirot. It's the Will that exists before any structure(sefirot) appears to contain it.

But, again, these are my own fatally abstracted musings, not law.
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Macsen Melinydd » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:31 am

Dar es Alrah wrote:'d probably place Atziluth somewhere in between a mass-less universe and the proto universe that existed in the early days of the big bang.

I'm not so sure about the big bang!
Are you familiar with the hypothesis presented in this essay, Dar?
http://specularium.org/index.php?option ... Itemid=121
I'd definitely be interested to see how you felt about it..
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Uni_Verse » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:21 am

Dar es Alrah wrote:Sounds like both of you could have chosen #1 as well. Without a personal mind/will do you see YHVH as any different from the Dao, or the demiurge force of creation?


From my understanding the Dao is the source, where YHVH would be the pattern by which it manifests. The greatest distinction is that I perceive the Dao as something above the Abyss, where YHVH exists below.
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby Uni_Verse » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:26 am

Dar es Alrah wrote:If the universe was really spherical then you should have seen a spiral and not just a line around the elliptic? Or am I missing something? :)


I find it more useful to perceive the Universe as hyperbolic in nature, spherical or an 'elliptical spheroid' in form.

EDIT : "Do not confuse the space-marks" ; in a hyperbolic graph, all 'points' are viewed as projections of the center and are mirrored 'above and below' within the polarized cones.
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Re: What is your interpretation of YHVH?

Postby gerry456 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:27 am

Jealous megalomanical anti-humanist demon who demands worship and submission to it alone and wants to keep us enslaved in darkness, hurt, suffering and ignorance?


'Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.'"
Leviticus 20:27


You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT


Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
Numbers 31:17-18

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20



When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12

https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kin ... e_partner/

so on.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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