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Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby horustheantichrist » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Hello,

I have some questions somewhat related to Zen concepts.

1. Is KCHGA the same as experience without the experiencer?

2. Is the "discrimination" that is learned from traversing the Path of Tav the ability to discriminate "maya" or illusion as it manifests in our daily lives?

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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:08 pm

horustheantichrist wrote:1. Is KCHGA the same as experience without the experiencer?

No.

2. Is the "discrimination" that is learned from traversing the Path of Tav the ability to discriminate "maya" or illusion as it manifests in our daily lives?

To some extent - there is certainly an opening of one's eyes to what lies behind material reality. Then again, the particular discrimination you mention is still being learned near the top of the Tree.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby horustheantichrist » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:42 am

Thank you Jim for answering my questions. This helps.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby horustheantichrist » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:20 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
horustheantichrist wrote:1. Is KCHGA the same as experience without the experiencer?

No

Can you please tell me what "experience without the experiencer" corresponds to?

Also, have/would you consider a digital version of 766 1/2?

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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:40 am

horustheantichrist wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
horustheantichrist wrote:1. Is KCHGA the same as experience without the experiencer?

No

Can you please tell me what "experience without the experiencer" corresponds to?

I'm not sure where it falls on the Tree. And from which angle? My first impulse is to say Kether. But since you started with a question about its relationship toa particular stage of development, I'll go down that road.

"Experience without the experiencer" is accessible at Malkuth. It's actually a very full experience of Malkuth, the Replendent Consciousness. In, in practical observation, it's accessible to relative beginners. (What I was first detecting as Kether is the Kether that is "in Malkuth, after another manner." It is the "1" in "1=10."

[/quote]Also, have/would you consider a digital version of 766 1/2?[/quote]
We've considered it. We aren't presently planning it.

I'd love to have a Kindle version of it - but the format doesn't allow for the variation of fonts we need. Also, the reason that book is an oversized (8.5 x 11 rather than 6 x 9)i is that it really needs that size of presentaton for the Hebrew characters to be visible, so reducing it to e-reader size is a losing idea from the start.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby horustheantichrist » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:04 am

Thank you. You're explanation of Kether in Malkuth makes sense to me.

I hear you on the limitations of the ebook functionality. My selfish reasons for the ebook are for the search functionality. I wonder if it would be better suited as an app...

Thanks for your help Jim, have a great day.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:29 am

Dar es Allarah wrote:Do you have any other books in kindle format, Jim?

No, they all have the font issue. (I've considered editing a copy of Visions & Voices that didn't need any alternative fonts, but it takes so much out of some parts of the explanation. Still might do that one of these days.)

Maybe I should write a nice novel :)
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:37 am

Dar es Allarah wrote:Lol. Well... maybe you could get around the font issue by substituting the non font characters with in-line text images? i.e. Scans of Hebrew, Greek or other words and characters to make lots of small images that are then inserted seamlessly into the text?

I could write another book in the time it would take to make those scans, insert them, and hand-code HTML throughout the whole book rather than dump it into a converter. For something like V&V, for most of the book, I could just give Hebrew, Enochian, etc. in transliteration, and the astrological figures are easy graphic inserts, and would have to make the reference tables in the Introduction chapters single graphics. It would still lose something (there's is something very evocative about seeing large Enochian letters counterposited with corresponding astrological glyphs), but would still be functional. It would also be (as first mentioned) a very time-consuming project.

I'm not sure of the limitations of the kindle

Basic functionality is single font (the one built in). The user can pick the font size for reading purposes. There is (from the production side) no pagination etc. - it all flows together, depending on how the reader scales it (much like a web page). As the next level, you can create it in HTML and do... well, anything you can do in HTML, with the understanding that the "receiving device" only has one font installed and anything else has to be an embedded graphic.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Seth Rah » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:05 am

You do not need special fonts for most of alphabets, like Hebrew (קבלה) and Greek (Θελημα). Use UTF-8 charset instead. Arial, Times New Roman, and most of the popular fonts already have them.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:15 am

Alan Willms wrote:You do not need special fonts for most of alphabets, like Hebrew (קבלה) and Greek (Θελημα). Use UTF-8 charset instead. Arial, Times New Roman, and most of the popular fonts already have them.

I don't think that expanded-page font is available on the Kindle.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Seth Rah » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:22 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Alan Willms wrote:You do not need special fonts for most of alphabets, like Hebrew (קבלה) and Greek (Θελημα). Use UTF-8 charset instead. Arial, Times New Roman, and most of the popular fonts already have them.

I don't think that expanded-page font is available on the Kindle.


Let us see, I will test on Kindle.

Anyway, everything works fine on iBooks with ePub files.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:58 am

Dar es Allarah wrote:I'm not sure I follow you here. Why couldn't you see large Enochian letters counter-positioned with corresponding astrological glyphs? They'd both be graphics - so it would look exactly the same as in the book.

I'd switched back to talking about the model of just transliterating Enochian, Hebrew, Greek, etc. into English charcters. The alternative is just too damn much work. (Hence the "I could write another book in the time it would take," etc.)

I see. Well - in that case I know that it's possible then. :-)

Sure. Possible. It's the matter of the cost (like, say, my taking off work for a month or two).

Well - I'm sure your time is more valuably directed towards other area's. Why not delegate the task to a secretary or someone willing to devote... well - how much time would it take? A manual of Occultism took me just over a week but there were hundreds of scans involved! I haven't read V&V yet... how many are we talking about?

Per character? Only hundreds. Then there's the coding of the HTMl line by line, the testing, etc.

Hand-coding the HTML and scanning the work isn't difficult, after all.

Not difficult. Just time consuming. (I've hand-coded numerous web sites of hundreds of pages over the years so, yeah, no problem on that - except for the time, proofing, etc.)

I probably could find someone to do it, but I'm not sure it's worth their time, either.

Another holdup so far is that Amazon's documentation isn't the best. I'd only like to do it if all features could be enabled - the buttons that automatically jump section heads, etc. But I can't find anywhere in their Guide how to execute those functions. Their pov is mostly "throw it into our interpreter and automatically post it to the site" (without even seeing and restructuring it first ???).
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Seth Rah » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:02 am

James, I did a test using an ePub file converted to MOBI (Kindle format). Hebrew worked fine, but words were ill positioned. For example, YHVH ALHIM would become ALHIM YHVH. May be it is a bug with converter software, or I should use HTML dir attribute to correctly handle such hebrew sentence. I will try again when I would have more time.

Dar es Allarah, sure. But later I will try to do another test with embed fonts inside ePub file and then converting to MOBI. If it works, then it would be possible to use Enochian and other symbols fonts.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Seth Rah » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:03 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:Another holdup so far is that Amazon's documentation isn't the best. I'd only like to do it if all features could be enabled - the buttons that automatically jump section heads, etc. But I can't find anywhere in their Guide how to execute those functions. Their pov is mostly "throw it into our interpreter and automatically post it to the site" (without even seeing and restructuring it first ???).


Prepare MOBI file from ePUB, Word, etc., impor to Kindle software (on Windows, Android, Mac, etc., I do not mean Kindle hardware) and test how it will look like.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Seth Rah » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:03 am

Dar es Allarah wrote:
Alan Willms wrote:Dar es Allarah, sure. But later I will try to do another test with embed fonts inside ePub file and then converting to MOBI. If it works, then it would be possible to use Enochian and other symbols fonts.


Fascinating! That would be really cool if it works Alan. :-)


It works fine with ePUB, even in iBooks (see iPad screenshot: http://cl.ly/image/092V251D0A2q ), but KindleGen and online convertors do not seem to recognize such "special" fonts and/or right-to-left text mixed with left-to-right.

I will try to find a solution to properly convert. May be Kindle online convertor for Word files works fine, but I am not sure how to test there.

P.S. In the screen shot the spheres of Kether and Malkuth seems strange because my CSS file sets sans-serif font to span tags inside td. Enochian special font have been set with @font-face property.
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Uni_Verse » Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:43 pm

Ding-a-ling-a-ling!
THIS is the sound of me chiming in :)

It is my opinion that it is best to have to refer to the hard copy.
Actually looking through it, over time, building a working knowledge of its logic.
The end goal being a full replication of the tables within the mind so that referring to the book becomes an effort of dotting the Is and crossing your ts (confirmation).
There is only one verse,
sung in infinite ways.
-
"Here!"
I come or came?
I sung!
To seeD the Way
-
God sings,
WE experience:
THE UNIVERSE!
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Re: Zen, HGA and the Path of Tav

Postby Uni_Verse » Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:27 am

Dar Es Allrah wrote:All a kindle means is that you don't give yourself a really bad back and shoulders lugging all your books around if you travel a lot (like back and forth to school or work on the bus where you might like to study this sort of thing).


Do not blame the books for your bad posture :p
Sounds like you are the old foogie who needs some exercise! ;)

I was hinting at the tendency people have to no longer remember URLs, "just google it."
Thus, "studying the tables" just becomes an exercise in using the search function, which in my opinion will not bear as much fruit.

In addition, I have to admit I prefer books that do not need batteries :)
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