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Human sacrifice

Postby Hermes » Mon May 20, 2013 7:13 am

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Ha ! Arent we thelemites supposed to be the wickedest people in the world by extension?!

More seriously, by "human sacrifice" i mean sacrifice of relationships. The great work is hardcore. I dont see how it is possible with so much changes occuring in life and personnality, to keep most relationships we had previously, including family, partner, good friends...

I know some people say otherwise, but i really dont get how this could be possible without slowing down the advancing on the path and being a hypocrite. It has made me sad in the past, but i had no choice anyway. When some steps were undertaken, it was too late, no way back possible.

I wonder how most of you have gone(or are going) through this. For me it is done. I have litteraly "lost" and forgot everyone i knew and was close to, gradually over the last couple of years. It seemed to be un unstopable natural process directly coming from the practice of magick and yoga. Way too powerful to question or to fight against.

So now i'm very careful when begining new relationships, not to create too much closeness nor attachement, because i know it is only a matter of time before the "human sacrifice" occurs. Being "very careful" does not require any special attention though, it seems to work on an automatic level.

I wonder if this degree of sacrifice is considered mandatory or habitual, and if so at what level(for instance from an A.'.A.'. perspective) in the path. Or am i just becoming anti-social and weird or something? Or could this be a "momentary"(timed as a long step) reaction to counterweight a previous over-attachement tendency or something? Or could this mean karma made me relate only to "negative"(for spiritual enlightement) people until now as an ordeal, and thus after dharma kicks in, i may experience the opposite? What do you think?

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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Uni_Verse » Mon May 20, 2013 7:48 am

From my experience, such is often the case with the profane or mundane.

It is a case of Us, primarily, continuing to change and evolve.
When those around Us elect not to, it is only natural we drift apart.
As We are continually ceasing to be the person they original met,
And so as They stagnant (or Us) the relationship falls apart.
"You are not the person that I originally met"
No, not at all - it is only my hope that I am closer to who I was originally meant to be...

EDIT:
It is Us that we continually sacrifice and our relationships are integral, deeply interwoven into our Being
There is only one verse,
sung in infinite ways.
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"Here!"
I come or came?
I sung!
To seeD the Way
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God sings,
WE experience:
THE UNIVERSE!
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Jim Eshelman » Mon May 20, 2013 8:56 am

I never had a lot of friends etc. My pattern (with my 13' Venus-Pluto) has always been, "few relationships, but very intense ones."

I actually have more friends now than at any earlier point in my life. Most of them are people involved in the Work.
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Angel of Death » Mon May 20, 2013 10:11 am

Ha ! Arent we thelemites supposed to be the wickedest people in the world by extension?!

More seriously, by "human sacrifice" i mean sacrifice of relationships. The great work is hardcore. I dont see how it is possible with so much changes occuring in life and personnality, to keep most relationships we had previously, including family, partner, good friends...

Society has come along way since AC established and promoted Thelemic ideas, one idea being that Thelemites are wicked. A hundred years ago, human rights were only extended mostly to white males. Patriotism, nationalism, sexism, racism, Ect Ect were the norm. It was wicked back then for men to love men, for white women to love black men, for people to share lovers, to experiment with mind altering substances, to challenge the horrid religious dogma promoted by Abrahamic Salvationist traditions......

The wickedest people are the ones who challenge thoughts and behaviors, and force change when needed.

I have a close nuclear family, and a huge circle of extended family of not only blood kin but family friends. I don't agree with everyone, I get mad or hurt interacting with someone them, confused, frustrated, and tired even. Yet I also share a deep rooted love with them, a love that doesn't remember the troubles or pain, a love that overlooks slights and quirks.
Love does this in our relationships so that we can say honestly, that there is a level of acceptance, compassion, and relatability that we can enjoy and that we dont have to severe our bonds.
some times it takes a while to get over the pain, I didn't speak to dad for all most a year once I was so hurt and mad, but during that this. If he had ever called me up and said Dove I need some help....I would have helped him.
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Hermes » Mon May 20, 2013 12:49 pm

Thanks guys, interesting and i feel a little less weird.

Let's kill some people to celebrate ! (just joking)

It reminds me an army ad which says "become yourself" :lol: like our true will is killing eachother or something :booze:

Funny how society consider professional killers heroes and the amateurs wicked.

Like a projection in the real of the unconscious will to kill the profane self, where as long as it is done to foreigners and for money, it is ok. Otherwise it triggers resistances.

I once saw a documentary on some "crazy" people who wanted to join the army. There was a guy, the officer ask him what are his motives to join, and he answers genuinely "to kill people OF COURSE !! isnt it the purpose of army?! with me you'll be fine ! all i want is killing people ! i've prepared all my life to become a professional killer ! my dream comes true today mr officer ! send me wherever you want, i'll kill everybody ! everybody !". The guy was sent in psychiatry after that. Dude could have been the most sincere soldier ever lol. What an irony. I wonder if he would have been send in psychiatry, back then in Crowley's society. :)
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby chris S » Mon May 27, 2013 4:09 pm

yeah..
Basically we come to terms with our special love relationships and our special hate relationships, that are really the same thing, which are projections of the ego.
The real, and the conditional.
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Ansuz Aleph » Mon May 27, 2013 6:04 pm

Frater Horus wrote:by "human sacrifice" i mean sacrifice of relationships. The great work is hardcore.


Interesting that I come across this topic after some reading I did earlier today. I was reading "The Dangers of Mysticism" by Crowley. Here's a quote from there (Gems from the Equinox p. 865-866) that I think answers this pretty well:

The Magician is not nearly so liable to fall into this fearful mire of pride as the mystic; he is occupied with things outside himself, and can correct his pride. Indeed, he is constantly being corrected by Nature. ...The mystic is solitary and shut up, lacks some wholesome combat. We are all schoolboys, and the football field is a perfect prophylactic of swelled head.


He goes on to address it directly:

Hundreds of mystics shut themselves up completely and for ever. Not only is their wealth-producing capacity lost to society, but so is their love and good-will, and worst of all, so is their example and precept.


It seems to me from these passages, that Crowley didn't see isolation/cutting off people as conducive to the Great Work. In other words, the GW isn't supposed to be separate, you're supposed to be in the sh*t.
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Re: Human sacrifice

Postby Hermes » Tue May 28, 2013 10:43 am

I projected a particular personal experience on the general process of initiation. It is false.

There is not even such an experience. Some things happen. Some do not. And even they do too. Everything goes fast, calmly as a lake. In thy center which is not, thou might find all kingdoms and things. But also emptyness, naked and still, and every word is Choronzon speaking. How then could thou speak.

Like an earthquake still, blessing lake and naked. O thou mighty lord, ten thousand one and baked.
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