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Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:33 pm

Is a certain degree of noise (mostly audible only to the practitioner) acceptable in proper practice of pranayama?
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:11 pm

I was just reading about this being a common result while practicing pranayama, along with sweating, gurgling in your stomach (afterwards), and a few other things.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Hermes » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:34 pm

I'm far from expert but as far as i know it depends on the focus of the pranayama and what you mean exactly by "pranayama". If it is strictly in the AA sense i wont comment at all though the following might help you precise your question/draw some conclusions.

In eastern practices it seems the more you search for physical manifestations (for instance make the body hard or rigid)like in "hard" qi gong it can be good to make noise(and/or specific kind of noises) but for meditative practice it is better to make it more and more silent until you are totally unable to hear anything.

Isnt the point to merge with air/prana of the universe? So that you dont know if it is you who breathe or the air who breathes you. In that case nothing is heard nor seen(you seem to be dead/not breathing at all to external witnesses). Thats when breathing really becomes pranayama in my humble opinion. Because you dont hear prana, right?(at least not as loud/in the same way as air) There are Bardon and Taoist exercices specific to help this. One is "breathing through the pores". An other is to visualise each breath extending through the whole universe and merging with the cosmic prana... One is supposed to minimize strain and effort at maximum while doing this.

Now if the focus is somewhere between both(if i'm right pranayama in the AA sense is somehow that way) it is like "straight" qi gong(energy work), basic alchemy and somekind of preparation for kundalini work and i guess it matters less as far as you dont go into extremes like too much meditative focus or too much physical. Or maybe it hits all three aspects actually. As in the zelator program it can be difficult physically at first, then more kind of energy work, and when you master it i guess it becomes more meditative, probably totaly silent and invisible, and induce profound meditation. So i'd say the most important is the focus and the intent while the actual noise just a side effect.

If that can help until expert advice comes. :)
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Hermes » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:35 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:I was just reading about this being a common result while practicing pranayama, along with sweating, gurgling in your stomach (afterwards), and a few other things.


"common" maybe for those who keep on extending the length of breath?
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:38 pm

Frater Horus wrote:
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:I was just reading about this being a common result while practicing pranayama, along with sweating, gurgling in your stomach (afterwards), and a few other things.


"common" maybe for those who keep on extending the length of breath?

I don't know. I've experienced them with just 10 minutes of fourfold breath, counting to 10 at each phase. It's pretty individual, I think.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:18 pm

Thank y'all.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Gnosomai Emauton » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:14 pm

Is this the noise of the air moving through your system that you're talking about? Or some other variety of noise?
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:06 pm

Gnosomai Emauton wrote:Is this the noise of the air moving through your system that you're talking about? Or some other variety of noise?

Moving through the nostril, yes.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Faust » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:49 am

Well, you can take a look at your milk ingestion. It usually makes you nose a little more likely to get closed and making noises.

Depending on where you live in Brasil, you may want to have a wet towel in you practice room.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Uni_Verse » Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:07 am

Rather common, in my experience.
I would be more concerned if you were hearing anything else.
Which may happen, though it should be handled with the standard procedure:
Maintain focus on the task at hand and eventually it should subside.

EDIT:
I thought to add, that it could also be a sign of an issue.
In example I am considered asthmatic and have a deviated septum.
Thus my breathing is louder and more labored than average,
and sometimes I get distracted by the fact that one nostril is taking in more air than the other.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:45 pm

kasper81 wrote:How long are your pranayama session if I may ask?

1 hour.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Takamba » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Starry Soul wrote:
kasper81 wrote:How long are your pranayama session if I may ask?

1 hour.


How many "breaks" do you record in this hour? [I'm just egging on this 'my prana is bigger than yours' thing - so ignore me]
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:37 pm

Takamba wrote:How many "breaks" do you record in this hour? [I'm just egging on this 'my prana is bigger than yours' thing - so ignore me]

Breaks in pranayama? :shock: If you mean a point when the mind wanders a bit and can cause a few seconds of delay, perhaps, it can happen two or three times. If you meant something else, please clarify.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Takamba » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:28 pm

Starry Soul wrote:
Takamba wrote:How many "breaks" do you record in this hour? [I'm just egging on this 'my prana is bigger than yours' thing - so ignore me]

Breaks in pranayama? :shock: If you mean a point when the mind wanders a bit and can cause a few seconds of delay, perhaps, it can happen two or three times. If you meant something else, please clarify.


Two or three times in an hour, that's excellent (provided you are recording correctly). Just saying that last bit because in other exercises I came to realize I wasn't actually aware enough to measure a break all the time. As I said, just ignore me. You're not playing the "who's prana is bigger game."
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Takamba » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:29 pm

Or are you? :twisted:
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:42 pm

Takamba wrote:Or are you? :twisted:

Now now... :twisted:

I think I can say that with a good amount of certainty because whenever my mind wanders during the practice, the quality of the breathing sucks and it affects everything until I return my awareness to the clock. The rest of the time (98% of the time, at a guess), I'm paying attention to the clock, so, if there was any significant gap of time between my moments of awareness, it would be evident. But, there isn't. :D

Me play good? :twisted:
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Takamba » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:19 pm

If you're "paying attention to the clock" and not the "results." Yes, you are playing good. But I'm still curious, who is bigger? :lol:
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:37 am

kasper81 wrote:How long are you doing the breath counts if I may ask?

I was doing 22-11 (before that, 20-10) and just switched to 24-12. I used to do 30-15 but I just spent a few months without practice, so decided to start over. BTW, 30-15 is a pretty good breath cycle, there's isn't much immediate need to go beyond it.
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Starry Soul » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:32 pm

kasper81 wrote:93

which part of Brazil are you Patrick? Maybe you should do pranayama to music, either Shakira or something from your parent's collection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0Hf85K90k

Southernmost. Vocal sound during pranayama disturbs my concentration.

:roll:
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Re: Noise in pranayama

Postby Hermes » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Starry Soul wrote:
kasper81 wrote:93

which part of Brazil are you Patrick? Maybe you should do pranayama to music, either Shakira or something from your parent's collection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0Hf85K90k

Southernmost. Vocal sound during pranayama disturbs my concentration.

:roll:


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