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What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:28 pm

I have had some experiences in the past few years that have lead me to believe that carven images of humans bear human-like energy.

Why they always starin' at me, yo?
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby nashimiron » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:20 am

Not to mention the unwholesome images of bears that have human personalities. Like Paddington Bear. Or the one off that movie. Ted I think it was called. Some powerful Juju going on there.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:46 am

Qlipphothic intelligences inhabiting plush animals has become a real issue.

And people are worried about so many unimportant modern trivial affairs like world politics.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:52 pm

What happened to the more interesting replies?

This really was a serious conversation I started attempting to reflect the Native American religious notion that everything is not only alive, but conscious in their role in creation as well, even trees, rocks and carven images.

I apologize if I came off a little immature in the original post.
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What's up with figurines?

Postby Hermitas » Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:48 am

I'm weird like that sometimes. I reread your posts later and thought I had taken them too seriously. I can be kind of self-revealing in my responses, but if people aren't serious, then it's not worth the (****) I have to take for it.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:19 am

I get that some times. But I suppose it takes being weird to recognize other weirdos.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby Vadox » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:20 am

Dunno what is happening with animals, but seems they/essense are not same as alive its realy easy to destroy them. For comparison old cat invaded by black spirit is 10 times easier to destroy than defending bee.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby mark0987 » Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:39 pm

93,

This really was a serious conversation I started attempting to reflect the Native American religious notion that everything is not only alive, but conscious in their role in creation as well, even trees, rocks and carven images.

I dislike the notion that objects have any form of consciousness or know their use. Surely the humans who create certain objects decide its use. We determine that dolls are to depict human traits and represent real human expressions, emotions etc. that is why they do so. I don't like the thought that dolls know they are dolls and act as such.....

Plants, trees, animals etc, Yes I can buy. Rocks is stretching it a bit for me- yes all is energy, but it depends what you define as consciousness or a soul. Whilst I personally do not believe that rocks are alive, the bacteria which lives on them certainly is.

I would argue that the only characteristics which seem human, or anything related to the dolls looking at you weird are all projections from your own mind. Your brain recognises the fact that these dolls and carven images are representative of human beings, or live things. Your brain may then start to interpret them and cause you to think they are looking at you a certain way, because that's simply what people do......like a child with a baby doll, she will take care of that baby like she was a mother herself, she may even begin to believe it- her brain can recognise that it is a representation of a baby and interacts with it as so- her innocence, naivity and childlike imagination allows her to interact with it as if was more real than most adults.


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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:01 pm

kasper81 wrote:...the difference between living matter and non-living matter...

I do question whether there is such a distinction. There is, of course, a difference in whether structures of matter are animated, i.e., having the behavior of being living; yet, the further I go, the more certain it seems that consciousness itself - the substance of life itself - is the root substance of all matter. In the way of the classic alchemist, I find it increasingly difficult to think that any object is unliving.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:22 pm

Well, according to the sages, in the "beginning", "Naught begat unto Naught" and formed creation, manifesting itself in eternal duality resulting in eternal procreation.

This paints a picture that everything has a "mate", so to speak.

Trees wound together in the forest, starting from two separate seeds, might be construed as two souls from the beginning that were always beckoning to one another, until one autumn, two trees drop two separate seeds that end up entwining about one another.

I suppose this is kind of what I was trying to convey.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:07 pm

Well, according to our Tree, the main difference between life and death is being able to accept beauty over victory.
“The mushroom said to me once, ‘Nature loves courage. Nature loves courage,’ and I said, ‘What’s the payoff on that?’ And it said, ‘It shows you it loves courage because it removes obstacles.’ You make a commitment, and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream, and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up.” -Terrence McKenna

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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby Takamba » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:24 pm

ThelemicMage wrote:Well, according to our Tree, the main difference between life and death is being able to accept beauty over victory.


Does this mean that those who have only the consciousness of Yesod (which is described to me as "churchianity") aren't alive?
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:15 pm

I suppose that would depend on which way they are trying to climb the tree. If they are blocking out awareness to only what ties strongly to Yesod consciousness, and they attempt to climb the tree without first fully realizing the materialized, or "immediate experience" consciousness of Malkuth, one might safely say these types of people never truly lived.

This is one of the main reasons Satanism has become so popular, especially to those fed up with normal social circuits. One might also safely say Crowley was a Satanist, though for obvious reasons of the spreading of the most important esoteric knowledge in the history of humanity, it is widely refuted among Thelemites. The man was in Love with Pan.

And what decent person isn't, right?
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby Uni_Verse » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:54 pm

I believe there is a consciousness, what may amount to nothing more than "memory" at the atomic level.
Upon going "below" into the territories of quarks and flavors - those may be perceptions at their purist.
Though, the above are mere musings.

Ascribing to a quasi-native american shamanism (can a Thelemite claim to be "pure" anything, besides Will ?) I do feel that everything is alive. That all things are conscious to some degree.

When speaking of something such as figurines, there is the "base" of the consciousness the materials hold, further molded by the image that it has been shaped and the image of that projected by the shaper.

Perhaps this is not the place, though this does bring to mind a conversation I was having with someone:
While I believe nothing is truly separate, there is many things one is not consciously aware of.
We had been speaking primarily about entities and I proposed that their autonomy is illusory, the result of the fact that we are only aware of what we ourselves have invested into it.
What has been placed inside by others, for all intents and purposes, is a mystery.
That is where the appearance of autonomy comes in , all the various lines projected into a thing by other minds that for the sake of the experience of individuality we have imposed separation.
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby Hermes » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:29 am

ThelemicMage wrote:I have had some experiences in the past few years that have lead me to believe that carven images of humans bear human-like energy.

Why they always starin' at me, yo?


Of course... i'd rather ask the question as such: how could a figurine not bear human like energy(to some extent/in a specific way)? :bat:
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Re: What's up with figurines?

Postby ThelemicMage » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:48 am

One can even tune into the wavelength of elves and sprites when one listens.
“The mushroom said to me once, ‘Nature loves courage. Nature loves courage,’ and I said, ‘What’s the payoff on that?’ And it said, ‘It shows you it loves courage because it removes obstacles.’ You make a commitment, and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream, and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up.” -Terrence McKenna

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