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Thoth, Maat, Hermes, Themis...

Postby Hermes » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:30 pm

"Maat may have influenced Themis, but only if you take late-period Maat post-Alexander, and thereby ignore entirely that Maat is the mate and complement of Thoth." Jim Eshelman (quoted from a non related topic)

Could you please Jim expand/precise this?

And(to everyone) what could you say concerning these Gods and how they relate(and not) to eachother?

And what about the outcome of their union? An idea which comes to my mind is on the tree of life, if we look at what is between their respective sephiroth, between them is the path of Ayin. Pan, the Devil. Like, for the law of balance(tiphareth) to manifest in the intellect(hod), it has to embrace all things(pan) and by the delivery of messages(hermes) it creates changes(the devil).

Also, if we attribute Geburah to Maat-Themis and Tiphareth to Hermes-Thoth. Thus it would be the path of Lamed.

Or even put them all four in anything from Hod to Kether? Like, they all can be seen as the ultimate one, the Tao. Or the Magus. Or Binah as the one who takes the dead in the underworld. Or Chesed as ultimate order. Or Geburah as justice/balance, or tiphareth as beauty/balance. Then they would respectively represent the yin and yang aspects of said sephiroth or even the elements if the four included. :)

Any comment/idea?

As far as my personal experience with them(greek forms only so far) it's mostly mystic and i see them actually as the highest gods after Nuit. So in my experience, they "are" Kether and Chesed, or atziluth and briah parts of tree, according to focus. Another truth(or way to tell it) could be to say at the peak of dharana i am Hermes(full magical power), then dhyana is Themis, it is seeing God face to face, the Ultimate Law, the Tao. Then if i get from there in Samadhi and all things merge even further, into none instead of one, then it is Nuit. Another experience is i saw myself as Hermes-Ipsissimus, and Themis as Chokmah.

I'm interested in understanding their other and more classical aspects, as well as those experienced by everyone.
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Re: Thoth, Maat, Hermes, Themis...

Postby Jim Eshelman » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:15 am

Hermes wrote:"Maat may have influenced Themis, but only if you take late-period Maat post-Alexander, and thereby ignore entirely that Maat is the mate and complement of Thoth." Jim Eshelman (quoted from a non related topic)

Could you please Jim expand/precise this?

I'm not sure what you want explained further. The main point two points are (1) the Egyptian gods' nature changed, sometimes widely, across a few thousand years, and (2) the only Maat that could affect a Greek deity would be the version that was en vogue during the Greek intersection with Egypt.
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