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The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby Captainmaharaj » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:09 pm

Just wondering what experiencing cosmic consciousness entails. Is there a stage of mystical development where your individual consciousness merges with the collective? Or it completely different?
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:50 pm

I recommend reading Bucke's book, Cosmic Consciousness. It's the classic, and widely available - recommended enthusiastically. (It more or less takes a book to answer the question, given the range of personal variation of the symptoms.)
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby Captainmaharaj » Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:06 pm

Thanks a lot Jim. Much appreciated.
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby gerry456 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:29 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N71ixFC ... A&index=17

I recommend this lecture by Deepak Chopra on this matter. I think he leans heavily on the 7 states of consciousness including divine consciousness and Christ consciousness. It's not an hour long ,the guy who uploaded it, filmed it on repeat lol.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby seekinghga » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:08 am

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

It would be foolish and presumptuous of me to say that striving to understand such matters is frivolity. Contemplating these ideas helps dispel grosser, more personalized conceptualizations and as such can possibly have enormous benefit. However, as an aspiring Jnani I would explain this topic in a practical manner as such:

Everything you know is false. Anything you can conceivably think of is untrue. All things that you perceive with the senses are unreal. There is nothing but the Self. So go and sit down, focus only on the Self, the Witness, the Silence, and shut up. All your words, all your thoughts, shut them up. No one is thinking them. The Ego says it is, but the Ego isn't real. Thoughts are just being thought. Just focus on the Self. And shut up.

This post, I feel, is definitely relevant to the OP/topic, even if it isn't necessarily so in a linear fashion. Also, "shutting up" is the method, not an insult or order. :)

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"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby gerry456 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:10 am

seekinghga wrote:Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

It would be foolish and presumptuous of me to say that striving to understand such matters is frivolity. Contemplating these ideas helps dispel grosser, more personalized conceptualizations and as such can possibly have enormous benefit. However, as an aspiring Jnani I would explain this topic in a practical manner as such:

Everything you know is false. Anything you can conceivably think of is untrue. All things that you perceive with the senses are unreal. There is nothing but the Self. So go and sit down, focus only on the Self, the Witness, the Silence, and shut up. All your words, all your thoughts, shut them up. No one is thinking them. The Ego says it is, but the Ego isn't real. Thoughts are just being thought. Just focus on the Self. And shut up.

This post, I feel, is definitely relevant to the OP/topic, even if it isn't necessarily so in a linear fashion. Also, "shutting up" is the method, not an insult or order. :)

Love is the law, love under will.


I think before you lay that on him he needs to know that he planet moves about a star and there was a time when there were no creatures on this planet. In fact this planet never existed. What happened? A super massive star exploded. This is beyond human comprehension. The remnants of this explosion were massive pieces of rock in orbit about the said star. Nowadays the rocks (planets) have stabilized but early on they were smashing each other. It is said that what was Jupiter being in an orbit further from the star/sun was freezing and generating massive glaciers, it hit the early "earth" and smashed it's glaciers into the "earth"'s surface bringing water. Maybe it hit" Mars" also doing the same. Anyway orbit of earth and it's tilt producing four "seasons" but not for the star/sun it knows no seasons or no night and day. Once the water was here then I understand that photosynthetic organisms began to appear. The production of carbon based unicellular organisms came later.

Yeah, we are the third rock from a star and beyond this system there are other stars fixed. Beyond them still other stars all in one massive cluster we know as "galaxy". Theer are other "galaxies" further.

IN summation, start with Resh, maybe move on to the equinox observances and in time go for http://www.geocities.ws/nu_isis/liber536.html
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby seekinghga » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:19 pm

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

gerry456 wrote:I think before you lay that on him he needs to know that he planet moves about a star and there was a time when there were no creatures on this planet.
Why?

The Ego is like a dam in the stream of existence. Crowley taught to match every thought with its opposite, as this has the effect of severing attachment to all of the thoughts appearing and dissipating within the mind. This is because by one's perceiving simultaneously the two sides of any contradiction and taking that pair of sides to be unanimously true, it negates the development of belief. (e.g. One says, "I believe A is x^2, yet I do not believe A is x^2. Existence is pure joy.," thus making variance in concept irrelevant.) That weakens the illusory "dam"--the Ego which formulates the idea of a limiting mind; there allowing flow instead of Stagnation (AL I:22 and 41), whereby one can then begin to understand intuitively why and how Hadit and Nuit All Around Us passionately blow kisses at one another. It's a start towards Cosmic Consciousness.

"Thou wast long seeking Me; thou didst run forward so fast that I was unable to come up with thee.
O thou darling fool! what bitterness thou didst crown thy days withal."
- LXV I:25

Love is the law, love under will.
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby gerry456 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:05 am

seekinghga wrote:................... Crowley taught..


Crowley taught a lot of things including

http://www.geocities.ws/nu_isis/liber536.html

I agree totally with what you're saying and did you open this link which I provided? It's LIBER BATRACOFRENOBOOKOSMOMACIA sub figurâ DXXXVI which is essentially what I described in my post about the Earth and it's place.

I must ask, how do you do your LRBP? When doing the Cabbalistic Cross do you extend your consciousnsess out of Earth into the Sun and the planets and further still? Have you seen the Powers of Ten film? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0 As a Thelemite you are commanded to expand thyself into the Body of Nuit, Queen of Infinite Space. That's a long journey. As I said earlier even grasping the fact that this planet and the others are mere shrapnel from an exploding star is beyond human comprehension.

What you're describing is the method of mystical instrospection which is fine and that should also simultaneously lead to pure perception of facts suppressed by the dammed ego which you talk of. The big fact it hides is this, you are on one of a cluster of relatively big rocks being dragged around a star amongst stars. Even Buddha when confronted by Mara stretched his palm out to show him that the Earth was beneath his body. Ultimately what you're saying complements what I'm saying. From the Sun/star there is no night no day no changing seasons. This is "of the earth and not of me" Cp 1: 21

and.................Chapter 1 ;


22. Now, therefore, I am known to ye by my name Nuit, and to him by a secret name which I will give him when at last he knoweth me. Since I am Infinite Space, and the Infinite Stars thereof, do ye also thus. Bind nothing! Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt.

23. But whoso availeth in this, let him be the chief of all!

2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: The experience of Cosmic Consciousnes

Postby seekinghga » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:00 pm

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

gerry456 wrote:As a Thelemite you are commanded to expand thyself into the Body of Nuit, Queen of Infinite Space.

"There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt." I guess that amounts to the same Thing. :) It's nice that the Book says it so plainly.

That's a long journey.

In Yoga the aim is closer rather than difference. That is the Method that my response comes from, anyways.

"Farther and farther we float; yet we are still. It is the chain of systems that is falling away from us. First falls the silly world; the world of the old grey land. Falls it unthinkably far, with its sorrowful bearded face presiding over it; it fades to silence and woe. We to silence and bliss, and the face is the laughing face of Eros."
- VII V:36-39

["the world of the old grey land" pertains to a state of awareness?]

As I said earlier even grasping the fact that this planet and the others are mere shrapnel from an exploding star is beyond human comprehension.[...]The big fact it hides is this, you are on one of a cluster of relatively big rocks being dragged around a star amongst stars.

Then how do you know? I'm just curious. Like my words, especially my words, it all operates through concepts emanating from that "crown of the intellect," which can only extend to the mark of its own limitation. That's pretty funny.

Love is the law, love under will.
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
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