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when pranayama?

Postby gerry456 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:35 am

Have been doing asana for months usually half an hour a night. Body twitching is conquered its fair to say. Still experience the pain after the 30 minute point. Is it therefore too early to start pranayama. By the way I have done over an hour now and again.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby ThelemicMage » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:28 pm

I started with pranayama the same time as Asana and must say that the breathing and mantras helped me overcome the body's hold of the spirit.

I cannot stress enough employing the use of cannabis as a meditational aid, as recommended by Crowley in the Equinox. Loostening the girders of the soul, as he puts it, has permanent effects that will enable you to perform yoga in the future with or without such aids.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby gerry456 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:45 pm

I already did a thread on this. Oops.

Your advice is errr idiosyncratic. Thanks.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby Saeptus » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:25 am

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Re: when pranayama?

Postby seekinghga » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:24 am

gerry456 wrote:Have been doing asana for months usually half an hour a night. Body twitching is conquered its fair to say. Still experience the pain after the 30 minute point. Is it therefore too early to start pranayama. By the way I have done over an hour now and again.

When I decided to move on past the 30 minutes sessions myself I developed what I call "the bully." Basically I just said to the pain, "what are you going to do? is my knee going to fall off? I don't care." Asana is posture, conquering asana is pratyahara of the sense of touch. Personally, I would begin practicing pranayama technique at this point, but not worry too much about your results. Just strengthening the lungs is good for now. Once you overcome the body, when it gets to that point where sensation "falls away"--it's kinda like the feeling in the thighs during orgasm, at least for guys or at least for me; that "melting"--then you can really get good results with pranayama, in terms of its relationship with your mind. During my Kambhakam (30sec.) I focus on the sensation of being dead.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby gerry456 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:13 pm

seekinghga wrote:
gerry456 wrote:Have been doing asana for months usually half an hour a night. Body twitching is conquered its fair to say. Still experience the pain after the 30 minute point. Is it therefore too early to start pranayama. By the way I have done over an hour now and again.

When I decided to move on past the 30 minutes sessions myself I developed what I call "the bully." Basically I just said to the pain, "what are you going to do? is my knee going to fall off? I don't care." Asana is posture, conquering asana is pratyahara of the sense of touch. Personally, I would begin practicing pranayama technique at this point, but not worry too much about your results. Just strengthening the lungs is good for now. Once you overcome the body, when it gets to that point where sensation "falls away"--it's kinda like the feeling in the thighs during orgasm, at least for guys or at least for me; that "melting"--then you can really get good results with pranayama, in terms of its relationship with your mind. During my Kambhakam (30sec.) I focus on the sensation of being dead.


Thanks, yeah I know where you're coming from brother.

I'm coming around to the fact that Crowley didn't intend that the yogi should aim for a kind of moksha-while-alive with asana but instead, a controlling of the CNS's distractions with a full hour being a decent signpost. I was looking at it in a linear fashion, yknow you attain the physical moksha and only then do you roll with pranayama. I'm going to resume pranayama but do some nights with just asana aiming past the pain point. If the pranayama gets too weird then i'll tone it down.
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby ThelemicMage » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:16 pm

Do you know what idiosynchratic means?

I merely stated you could enable the permanent effects of meditation by doing it successfully with all of the recommendations of Crowley a number of times.


It's cool. Some people don't even know where to start, or how to find the proper patterns of nature in a society of fear-based commercialism, even through the trade of various herbs.

I see absolutely no point in existence if I am not dancing with more evolved life forms. Cannabis just happens to be one of them. Most people are afraid of being raped by this plant, and they show it by restating all the BS put out by the fearful powers that keep people from becoming psychically aware from the sacred plants.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby Takamba » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:33 pm

Idiosyncratic means it only applies to you.
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Re: when pranayama?

Postby ThelemicMage » Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:39 pm

Thank you Frater Takamba, but I was asking the question rhetorically.

Hey how about Aristotle? It seems that the human animal needs centers of intelligent confirmation. Like as if he hadn't written the primary historical thesis on Rhetoric, everyone would be posting pictures of their poop on facebook demanding likes but getting infuriated at any comments that were nothing but positive.
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