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Response on Meditation to Hego

Postby seekinghga » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:49 pm

Hego wrote:I try to use Dragon posture in Asana, trying to remain motionless as instructed.

That's good. How long do you sit for? 30 minutes, twice daily, is a respectable goal in the beginning, though an hour is something you want to shoot for. I used to practice asana and dharana during my early meditation session, then have a second session later in the day devoted solely to asana. It is important not to stress the brain.

With being able to sit for an hour you will conquer the body's sensations and the mind itself will begin to catch a hint.

For the preparation of the room, I use incense to fill the air with a single scent, I listen to white noise or a mantra (Hari Om Tat Sat) to fill my ears with a single voice.

Do you chant the mantra or is it from an external source, like VHS or cassette? The latter, if applicable, could be distracting.

While in Asana, I inhale for 10 seconds, hold my breath for 10 seconds, exhale for 10 seconds and repeat.

This may not be the norm, nor is it for all persons, but I use pranayama as a sort of "mind cleaner" to calm down its agitation before switching to one-pointed concentration. A prep process if you will.

I try to visualize an object in front of me but when I do I lose count of my breath :D.

You're dividing your energy in trying to count AND concentrate. Again, that technique may work for others but I've not had success in it.

I try to calm my thoughts but they come rushing forward even more :D.

And they will! My dear friend, and they will! :) Don't get discouraged. The trick is to ignore the thoughts that keep coming and keep the attention fixed on the object of meditation. Every time that thoughts distract you you need to escape their grasp as quickly as possible and move your attention back to what you are meditating on. There's no way around it, it just takes persistence.

"I breathe, and there is infinite dis-ease in the spirit. As an acid eats into steel, as a cancer that utterly corrupts the body; so am I unto the spirit of man. I shall not rest until I have dissolved it all."

Couldn't get passed the calming the thoughts part so far.
All I could achieve is the feeling of elevation from the body.

Your symptom gives the cause. You have not mastered your asana yet, hence the feedback from the body, imagined or otherwise. You will know that you have trained the body when it no longer reacts as a consideration to you. It fades away into the background. Think of the chair that you are sitting on. You are sitting on it, but your mind almost certainly is not mindful of it the entire time you are taking a seat (so you are definitely not worried if the chair is undergoing a "feeling of elevation" because that is NOT the object of meditation on which your entire conscious effort is directed). When the body wants to move, or when the mind makes excuses to move the body, you MUST keep the body still. Do not give it the comfort or satisfaction of motion until the time is up. Following this advice you will win.

It should be mentioned that in addition to the outcome of success in conquering an asana, which is characterized by the body not sending any more signals to the mind while in that asana, there will be an accompanying perception of the bodily senses departing at the onset of this state of triumph. I both call it and describe it as "the melting away of proprioception and sensation." The body goes bye-bye to the awareness. This will be experienced as a "wave" and subsequent feeling of utter physical relaxation, seemingly spontaneous in nature. The contrast of comfort between this feeling and the body's normal state is tremendous. Its wonderful peace must be felt in order to fully grasp, the armchairers will completely miss out.

The utterly blissful physical relaxation of success in this .001% of meditation is only an insignificant foreshadowing of what is to come. Indeed, the body thus silenced and stilled, you can next move onto the mind. Yoga means Union.

Focusing my thoughts on a single object without my mind wandering is what I can't achieve until now. That's why I think "I am doing this wrong".

If that is what you are doing then you are on the right track. Just be aware that the mind will employ many subtle tricks to make you think that you are meditating when in fact it's just in reverie. My best advice is to take that voice or that perspective which is commenting on the progress of your meditation while you are meditating and silence it. That voice is a major obstacle and a barrier.

It takes time. If you are practicing then that is the proper thing to do. A hundred failures through trial are a million times more meaningful than not trying at all.

"Thou wast long seeking Me; thou didst run forward so fast that I was unable to come up with thee. O thou darling fool! what bitterness thou didst crown thy days withal."

Check out my own guidelines here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14646&p=99902#p99902

And remember, perseverance is like currency when it comes to spiritual endeavors. Whatever that means! ;) You're not fighting your mind, you're learning it. Like an untrained dog on a leash it will pull you this way and that. The trick is to get it to walk at your side as the loyal companion that it truly is. It barks when you want it and it silently sits at your call when you command it.
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
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Re: Response on Meditation to Hego

Postby Hego » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:11 am

93,

My sincere gratitude for the time you spend on helping me seekinghga. I really really appreciate it. I've read the Psalms of an Aeon from the beginning till the end, and #20 is truly a great guide not only for me but for the most aspirants. The effort you spend for me and others is beyond admirable. You inspire me, for that, I thank you again. Now,

seekinghga wrote:That's good. How long do you sit for? 30 minutes, twice daily, is a respectable goal in the beginning, though an hour is something you want to shoot for.


According to my records, it was maximum 40 minutes so far, though afterwards I lie down in weird positions to ease the pain and numbness in my feet. :D

Do you chant the mantra or is it from an external source, like VHS or cassette? The latter, if applicable, could be distracting.


I listen it from an external source, usually from a headset to eliminate all kinds of noise in the environment. I'm so easily distracted by anything and everything. If I listen to white noise, I also chant too.

This may not be the norm, nor is it for all persons, but I use pranayama as a sort of "mind cleaner" to calm down its agitation before switching to one-pointed concentration. A prep process if you will.


Then I'll also try to do pranayama before the asana.


And they will! My dear friend, and they will! :) Don't get discouraged. The trick is to ignore the thoughts that keep coming and keep the attention fixed on the object of meditation. Every time that thoughts distract you you need to escape their grasp as quickly as possible and move your attention back to what you are meditating on. There's no way around it, it just takes persistence.


Ah, my impatience, the desire to attain something with haste, always troubled me my entire life. I am nearly 28 and slowly began to realize my mistakes at that point. The price of my mistakes paid with the irrecoverable coin "the time".

"I breathe, and there is infinite dis-ease in the spirit. As an acid eats into steel, as a cancer that utterly corrupts the body; so am I unto the spirit of man. I shall not rest until I have dissolved it all."


I might even use that phrase instead of a mantra!

Your symptom gives the cause. You have not mastered your asana yet, hence the feedback from the body, imagined or otherwise. You will know that you have trained the body when it no longer reacts as a consideration to you. It fades away into the background. Think of the chair that you are sitting on. You are sitting on it, but your mind almost certainly is not mindful of it the entire time you are taking a seat (so you are definitely not worried if the chair is undergoing a "feeling of elevation" because that is NOT the object of meditation on which your entire conscious effort is directed). When the body wants to move, or when the mind makes excuses to move the body, you MUST keep the body still. Do not give it the comfort or satisfaction of motion until the time is up. Following this advice you will win.


I never thought about it like this. I was thinking being elevated is something that I should achieve or shoot for.

The utterly blissful physical relaxation of success in this .001% of meditation is only an insignificant foreshadowing of what is to come. Indeed, the body thus silenced and stilled, you can next move onto the mind. Yoga means Union.


How I long and yearn for that Union, even though I haven't got the slightest clue about the experience itself.

Just be aware that the mind will employ many subtle tricks to make you think that you are meditating when in fact it's just in reverie. My best advice is to take that voice or that perspective which is commenting on the progress of your meditation while you are meditating and silence it. That voice is a major obstacle and a barrier.


It is not a single voice sadly, It is the entirety of bad memories of a lifetime, self-doubts, self-critics and many more. All came to me as legions to ram down the walls of my peace of mind.

It takes time. If you are practicing then that is the proper thing to do. A hundred failures through trial are a million times more meaningful than not trying at all.


Something I constantly try to remind myself, though easy to discard, I don't know why.



I mentioned at the beginning yet the time you spent on guiding others amazes me. Thank you again.

And remember, perseverance is like currency when it comes to spiritual endeavors. Whatever that means! ;) You're not fighting your mind, you're learning it. Like an untrained dog on a leash it will pull you this way and that. The trick is to get it to walk at your side as the loyal companion that it truly is. It barks when you want it and it silently sits at your call when you command it.


The wisest thing I've heard or read for a long time. When I learn about the faults and defects of my mind I truly want to change myself, however the one who learns and the one with defects is the same! It shatters the "I" in me and questions get a little weirder. In the poem "AHA" in Equinox there was something like:

"All thoughts are evil. Thought is two:
The seer and the seen. Eschew
That supreme blasphemy, my son,
Remembering that God is One."


How can I unite the image of myself (the one who tries to control the wandering thoughts and self doubts) and my simple self (the one who creates these wandering thoughts). I always judge myself or criticize myself over the negative thoughts or feelings I have. Can we be truly one, can I train my mind to be loyal at my side? More self-doubts. And again when I feel like this I read:

"Plod on, and when your legs tremble and give way under you, crawl on, crawl on if on all fours, and clench your teeth and say “I WILL”; but on! and on! and on! And behind you tireless strides along that old grey hound ever breathing forth temptations upon you; filled with crafts, and subtleties, and guiles, ever eager to lead you astray, ever ready to guide you back"

I might have overstepped the boundaries of the original discussion and the post. Yet one question begets the other. One thought begets the other. One doubt begets the other. It is really a challenging journey however. And seekinghga my deepest thanks once again.

With love,
Hego.
"Who art thou that dost float and fly and dive and soar in the inane? Behold, these many fons have passed; whence camest thou? Whither wilt thou go?
And laughing I chid him, saying: No whence! No whither!
The swan being silent, he answered: Then, if with no goal, why this eternal journey?
And I laid my head against the Head of the Swan, and laughed, saying: Is there not joy ineffable in this aimless winging? Is there not weariness and impatience for who would attain to some goal?"
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