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seekinghga wrote:If you are hearing voices then you need to increase your powers of concentration on what you are meditating on and stop listening to haphazard and hallucinated "aural" stimuli. All sorts of phenomena can arise to distract the intrepid yogi, including ananda (which is a "sinking into" rather than a lust). Learn to ignore them.
Ab-ul-Az wrote:As I thought, this is a common case.
I do try to ignore them during meditation, but I think there's an explanation and even benefit from that.
seekinghga wrote:Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. If you want to succeed in meditation then you must ignore everything but that which you are meditating on. You can do what you want. Your mind becomes involved in "thinking" when it turns and revolves and judges what is going on. Thought is the antithesis of meditation.
Ab-ul-Az wrote:But I think
this is part of what distinguishes the Western Tradition from others, they're strictly magians and warriors if you look at history, and we have to follow where this evolution is heading, which apparently uses the mind and psyche as its vehicle. I could babble on all day about this subject but I rather not divert much from the main subject.
seekinghga wrote:Good for you, but that isn't meditation.
Ab-ul-Az wrote:The second part of my comment is definitely not about meditation in the formal way as it is learned through Hindu and Buddhist texts and traditions. So I don't have anything against what you are saying.
What I said concerns the phenomena itself whenever it happens, as it does sometimes even in the conscious state, it's actually one of the things that helped me in understanding and controlling the mind, while the Eastern methods are strictly made for ritual and devotional use for hermits, which is contrary to the Western where we are invested in the physical, mental and having things accomplished and manifested, which I find complimentary to the message of Thelema too.
seekinghga wrote:Ignore it. I can't help you beyond that. If you want someone to tell you that what you are experiencing is a holy boon, a ringing telephone, a text message, I can't tell you that. You need to increase your concentration, it needs to be all day. If you want to make it.
Ab-ul-Az wrote:In the waking state, I mentally connect to the subconscious of those I know and receive spontaneous messages from them, and I'm aware most of them do it unintentionally as repressed ideas or emotions, and those I'm connected deeply with will manifest the thoughts and emotions I send to them, so that's one thing that made me more cautious in my thoughts and energy.
Hermitas wrote:I share this theory, but i think it quite dangerous. It’s impossible (or very close to impossible) to distinguish from psychological projection. Or, if you’ve got a technique for making such a distinction, I’d love to hear it.
The best analogy I have is that sometimes it’s my CD player (psychological projection), and somethimes it’s the radio (telepathic information). But I can’t tell just by listening to the music.
Hermitas wrote:Regarding your technique for discernment: Respectfully, I don't think it takes seriously enough the idea that our own unconscious minds can and do produce "information" of an unbidden and unexpected nature. It does so frequently in dreams. In other words, it could still be the words of a representation of an individual created by your unconscious mind (as in a dream), with no connection to the actual individual's thoughts.
Objective (outside) confirmation is necessary to test the percentage of correct "reads" enabled by the discernment technique you describe.
Honestly, I believe I've experienced both, the real and the imagined, yet I can't tell just from the "hearing," and I don't know what to tell you except not to bet your reputation on anything you hear.
Note: I went through a Saturn transit conjunct my natal Neptune once. It broke all the rules. It was as if my own mind was trying purposely to deceive me. I've become a lot more skeptical about it since then.
Ab-ul-Az wrote:Yes it's quite tricky and definitely needs objective confirmation along the way, that's why most importantly is knowing one's True Will, the mind and even the body will never rest and will have countless changing states on the path of initiation, letting it subject to the True Will is the end goal
be it a suggested projection or synchronistic telepathy; they should both result in Love.
Angel of Death wrote:Love Love love
I sometimes have so much going on, in what would seem to be a psychic level, so many bits of information and words and feelings that arise and try to influence me. and gosh they sure do whirl me around and shake me up.
Angel of Death wrote::angel:![]()
what perfect and beautiful words, thank you for sharing.
Angel of Death wrote:thanks![]()
I see you too
Namaste Brother
seekinghga wrote:How? All things result in love. Love, in the Thelemic sense, is the outcome of dissolving barriers. It is not a Silent Witness but an Ardent and Aloof Participant, such is Hadit. I didn't ask "how?" in order to challenge what you're saying. I'm genuinely asking you to delineate its methodology.
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