Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

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Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

Postby FiatYod » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:52 am

When I get to know of a new Adept (or, at least, someone who has been a Thelemite/magician for a long period of time, and seems to know their stuff), I try to check out their work and publications online.
Lately I started to get the feeling that when people become Adepts (not sure if "become" is a good word, but you get the point), their work starts to shift towards Magick, initiation and even Adepthood itself.
The authors' books, the musicians' compositions, the poets' poems, the painters' paintings - they all seem to be focused on expressing how splendid the experiences of an Adept are, how great Magick and Thelema are and how you should be an Adept, too. Even programmers tend to spend a lot of time in writing Thelema-related applications, scripts for Magick, etc.

While it may be useful to mankind, don't you think they could have expressed their True Wills more usefully than that? I know that to answer this question would take deep, personal knowledge of each and every Adept whose work is like that, but I'm talking about general impressions here.
I guess that besides self-expression, they truly want to help others: being a wolf among sheep can feel nice sometimes, but then again, wolves should be traveling in packs, and so the wolf is trying to get others into wolfhood, so to speak.

I have a feeling that my feeling is wrong (excuse the seemingly self-contradictory wording), and it may be so for a few reasons:
1. The works that shifted towards Magick which I've mentioned are all from very specific fields - what about the others? For instance, I have never heard of a chef who started to serve only Magick-related dishes after he had become an Adept. Then again, I have never heard of any Adept chef... Sheesh, it seems like all the Adepts today are programmers or artists ("or", not "xor")!
2. Some people's work truly is in Tiphareth, like Crowley's work was. So having their entire work Magick-related is actually what they should be doing.
3. Working on some Magick-related side projects can help the Adepts improve their craft. For example, the programmer who writes a Thoth Tarot application becomes a better programmer by doing so, and then he could use his improved skills for the expression of his True Will.

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Re: Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

Postby Takamba » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:08 am

My thoughts worth sharing (???).

Not all "magick" involves Encochian, Hebrew, Wands, Swords, and the like. Some magick involves keyboards, guitars, and such. Some magick involves corporate labels. Some magick involves food. Some magick involves medicine. Some magicians look like janitors too. Part of the "problem" you may be seeing may be the problem of your limits of seeing.

And defining.

What is an Adept? Are we only defining that word under the Golden Dawn's umbrella? Well, then they all look like Golden Dawn styled adepts and not other! Of course! But if you say to yourself "Paul McCartney could be an Adept and what would we know of that?" Paul M may or may not ever given a Masonic grip or passkey, but he's responsible for a great deal of Thelemic impact on the world (not to mention the rest of the dog show, JohnGeorgeRingo). Or maybe it was John all along who was the true adept and mystic and Paul just followed along like George.

Maybe there are adepts out their in all sorts of fields making all sorts of harvest. Maybe psychology is filled with adepts and we just don't know because they stay in their field. Maybe NASA is working with a few adepts and "Adepts," and maybe they just don't think about oogy boogy stuff, just sciency stuff. I don't know.

Or according to one kind of reconning I've encountered, and am holding some stock in, if we go from the very beginning and we dare imagine measuring unto the very end, we will all become adepts and we will all become as one and we will all become. And it will be done.

What say you to that?
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Re: Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

Postby Takamba » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:09 am

My thoughts worth sharing (???).

Not all "magick" involves Encochian, Hebrew, Wands, Swords, and the like. Some magick involves keyboards, guitars, and such. Some magick involves corporate labels. Some magick involves food. Some magick involves medicine. Some magicians look like janitors too. Part of the "problem" you may be seeing may be the problem of your limits of seeing.

And defining.

What is an Adept? Are we only defining that word under the Golden Dawn's umbrella? Well, then they all look like Golden Dawn styled adepts and not other! Of course! But if you say to yourself "Paul McCartney could be an Adept and what would we know of that?" Paul M may or may not ever given a Masonic grip or passkey, but he's responsible for a great deal of Thelemic impact on the world (not to mention the rest of the dog show, JohnGeorgeRingo). Or maybe it was John all along who was the true adept and mystic and Paul just followed along like George.

Maybe there are adepts out their in all sorts of fields making all sorts of harvest. Maybe psychology is filled with adepts and we just don't know because they stay in their field. Maybe NASA is working with a few adepts and "Adepts," and maybe they just don't think about oogy boogy stuff, just sciency stuff. I don't know.

Or according to one kind of reconning I've encountered, and am holding some stock in, if we go from the very beginning and we dare imagine measuring unto the very end, we will all become adepts and we will all become as one and we will all become. And it will be done.

What say you to that?
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Re: Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

Postby seekinghga » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:15 pm

being a wolf among sheep can feel nice sometimes, but then again, wolves should be traveling in packs, and so the wolf is trying to get others into wolfhood, so to speak.

This is an inaccurate way of seeing things, FY. "Pack of wolves" serves as a faulty metaphor. Adepthood, in the technical sense of the A:.A:. represents the burgeoning dawn of real selflessness. The HGA is One, “I am alone: there is no God where I am.”; the angles from which this is conceptualized and shared to others are the source of the apparent multiplicity of Adepts. This becomes more obvious as one unveils more of the "Path" or "Tree" (or wtf ever) “within” themselves.

OK, my previous paragraph is neither here nor there! ;) The drive of any serious Adept shares partial analog to this. Yes, the Adept wants to help others as you say, as the naturally expanding selflessness encompassed by that state shifts focus by default. The methods of some "adepts" (i.e. "work and publications") are subject to scrutiny... One must question "why?" Books are helpful to an extent...

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Re: Are Adepts obsessed with Adepthood?

Postby Hermitas » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:07 am

I just figure you only hear from the ones who are teachers.
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