Do we heal the sick for free or not?

[Frater LA]

All this talk of money and impoverished states of consciousness...

What ever happen to "Profess nothing but to heal the sick and that for free"?

And as an exhausted, nearly twicely master-degreed student, attempting to fulfill all the requirements of Caesar to pass State-licensing for a psychological healing profession that real people can't afford anyway without "fudging" the codes to insurance companies; struggling with massive debt put toward that work of service; attempting to finish the process in the midst of initiatory ordeal after ordeal, and preparing for a profession for which I can't quite understand how to ethically charge and in the terms of which my scholarly peers think I'm a bit "touched."

I feel extremely hindered from doing my Will - if I am forced to attach a price-tag, and scholarly justification for that price-tag, and State blessing and certification to that price-tag - to it.

Now, respect me or not for my level of wealth versus impoverished consciousness, I've done my part of the Work to the best of my ability - and not for the rewards some of you seem to look down from.

And if your only message to me is that I should instead not help people and look after myself alone, then I'm simply not sure you're done learning...

I have done what it was mine to do. May you do what it is yours to do.

That's the only thing I come to every time.

[Jim Eshelman]

You can heal them for free. The licensing boards are only going to be concerned if you call it psychotherapy (etc.) or charge (etc. etc. you know the details).

Nothing to stop two people from sitting down on a regular schedule and talking.

[Takamba]

All this talk of money and impoverished states of consciousness...

And if your only message to me is that I should instead not help people and look after myself alone, then I'm simply not sure you're done learning...

Nope. What I would say is that by not looking out for yourself, you couldn't possibly help anyone. But otherwise...

I have done what it was mine to do. May you do what it is yours to do.

That's the only thing I come to every time.

That's exactly what I come to every time.

[JPF]

Personally, I've come to the conlcusion that the sick should heal themselves.

In the course of my training, I've subjected myself (and been subjected) to various stresses/psychological illnesses/etc. in order to prove (at least to myself) that there is nothing a pure and steadfast Will cannot accomplish of its own volition. I cannot say that I was unaided in these experiences (by forces independent of my own Mind), but in the end the choice was mine alone: aspire or die.

Neither terror, nor madness, nor bodily ailment can deter the sincere Aspirant from the Path.

That being said, there is a stark difference between the babbling interference of analysis and the principles of benign non-involvement:

If one is sick, be this a sickness of the mind or body, it is of their own choice. Any move they make towards healing must be of their own choice as well.

Thus, one cannot claim to really "help" anybody. The best any healer can do is show someone the tools whereby they may repair themselves. Most invalids will refuse to leave their shallow bed for the light of the sun, it blinds them so. Who am I to spend my life dragging them into the open air? Such would be an insult to the Work to which I am pledged.

Some may call this view harsh, without compassion. On the contrary, nothing could be more benevolent! By refusing to interfere with the Will of others, and attending to my own, I am doing the ill a far greater favor.

[Labyrinthus]

Personally, I've come to the conlcusion that the sick should heal themselves.

Many have seen this and recognized the wisdom therein.

Yet I have seen in the family group and within deep emotional love-bond karmic entanglements how one might push the envelope a bit here and there and now and then....

[Jim Eshelman]

Personally, I've come to the conlcusion that the sick should heal themselves.

If I chose to do that, I wouldn't easily have the privilege of doing that. One of the few hard conditions of our Third Order contact is that we continue to make available gratis healing as requested.

However... there is an awful lot of healing that amounts to unleashing self-healing.

Additionally, it is our firm policy not to extend healing where it is unwanted. Most of the time this means that someone has to directly ask for it.

Neither terror, nor madness, nor bodily ailment can deter the sincere Aspirant from the Path.

We aren't, of course, only (or even primarily) talking about aspirants.

If one is sick, be this a sickness of the mind or body, it is of their own choice. Any move they make towards healing must be of their own choice as well.

Which is why we require them to ask for it.

Thus, one cannot claim to really "help" anybody. The best any healer can do is show someone the tools whereby they may repair themselves.

There's a great deal more than one can do, in fact (although, again, it needs to be in conformity with the individual's will).

[turpin]

I set for myself the goal to cure myself of certain nervous ticks, which essentially constituted Tourette's Syndrome without the official diagnosis.

Did such a cure manifest? Yes. By what form? Nerve tonics. Hericium erinaceus, other such mushrooms, and more recently acorus americanus.

Also I had the goals of curing myself of allergies and asthma. Reishi, Nettles, Royal Jelly, Cordyceps, etc.

Now I am working on slowing the aging process. Astragulus root, among many many other things.

I was not cured for free. First, I had to learn, not just about these specific things, but a life philosophy that allowed me to figure these things out for myself. I meet lots of people who won't do what I do because its too expensive or requires too much effort. Yet they will spend much more money on doctors, or put much more effort into coping with their suffering in less effectual ways.

[danica]

I feel extremely hindered from doing my Will - if I am forced to attach a price-tag, and scholarly justification for that price-tag, and State blessing and certification to that price-tag - to it.

I felt that way about ''practicing'' astrology (counceling, predictions etc.), but solved it by deciding to use symbolic prices - the lowest possible, simply to 'compensate for' my time spent on it (to represent it in the frame of value-measuring in Assiah). that ensures the 'even' relation with the client - we both gave something accountable, measurable; and it makes the formality of the relation structured and balanced.

[Veronica]

"And as an exhausted, nearly twicely master-degreed student, attempting to fulfill all the requirements of Caesar to pass State-licensing for a psychological healing profession that real people can't afford anyway without "fudging" the codes to insurance companies; struggling with massive debt put toward that work of service; attempting to finish the process in the midst of initiatory ordeal after ordeal, and preparing for a profession for which I can't quite understand how to ethically charge and in the terms of which my scholarly peers think I'm a bit "touched."


My Dear Brother, I implore you to think deeply about what game you are agreeing to play when you put your token on the playing board. For fear of being redundant I will ask you to read a small pdf file by Mary:Croft called _How I clobbered every cash conficating agency know to man_. I encourage you to act, by all means, in ways to help and serve but to be aware when you play with money as energy.

Do we heal the sick for free?

In my world life is a constant flowing of energy, and energy takes many many forms.

When I restrict my energy flow to debt bills, I have put severe limitations on how energy can manifest in my world. Spiritual force is a force with great strengh, just as gravity has strenght, and electromagnetics have strenght.

Nothing in this world is free. Everything manifests because of an agreement.

You have to charge something, or create some sort of an agreement of energy exchange.

My girlfriends own and operate a storefront, called the PurpleDoor Soul Source, and it could be called a new agey bookstore, gift shop, therapy room/ consultaion kind of place. I teach yoga and a few other classes, and help customers there find what they are looking for. We have found that if I hold a class there on healing for free no one will show, but if I charge $40 people show and lots of people show. Many people who are looking for alternative therapies or healing will not consciously allow healing to take place if they are not being charged for it.

IME the art of healing is akin to being a midwife. While one may know what to do, one only knows and does not do. Being there for the person giving birth can mean the differnce between life and death.

[Ash]

Nothing in this world is free. Everything manifests because of an agreement.

You have to charge something, or create some sort of an agreement of energy exchange
[...]
We have found that if I hold a class there on healing for free no one will show, but if I charge $40 people show and lots of people show. Many people who are looking for alternative therapies or healing will not consciously allow healing to take place if they are not being charged for it.

I've had similar experiences, but never really thought of it this way until now. I've found that when one does something for someone and asks nothing in return, it tends to be an unstable, awkward, and guilt-infested event: eceiving something for nothing tends to breed guilt, and giving without receiving tends to breed resentment. I know the latter very, very well.

[Veronica]

Nothing in this world is free. Everything manifests because of an agreement.

You have to charge something, or create some sort of an agreement of energy exchange
[...]
We have found that if I hold a class there on healing for free no one will show, but if I charge $40 people show and lots of people show. Many people who are looking for alternative therapies or healing will not consciously allow healing to take place if they are not being charged for it.

I've had similar experiences, but never really thought of it this way until now. I've found that when one does something for someone and asks nothing in return, it tends to be an unstable, awkward, and guilt-infested event: eceiving something for nothing tends to breed guilt, and giving without receiving tends to breed resentment. I know the latter very, very well.

Sometimes it seems life life is just a big fantastic orgy.....

[Solitarius]

Nothing in this world is free. Everything manifests because of an agreement.

You have to charge something, or create some sort of an agreement of energy exchange
[...]
We have found that if I hold a class there on healing for free no one will show, but if I charge $40 people show and lots of people show. Many people who are looking for alternative therapies or healing will not consciously allow healing to take place if they are not being charged for it.

I've had similar experiences, but never really thought of it this way until now. I've found that when one does something for someone and asks nothing in return, it tends to be an unstable, awkward, and guilt-infested event: eceiving something for nothing tends to breed guilt, and giving without receiving tends to breed resentment. I know the latter very, very well.

Sometimes it seems life life is just a big fantastic orgy.....

Just as an aside, "Yoga" in the sense of union requires both halves of the equation in order to happen at all, as the saying goes "it takes two to tango" so in that sense the idea of giving away anything for free is an illusion.