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"MY book"? Which book?

Postby gerry456 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:03 am

All these old letters of my Book are aright; but [Tzaddi] is not the Star.

"MY book"? Which book? It must be an "old book" i.e it isn't Liber Al.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Takamba » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:43 am

gerry456 wrote:All these old letters of my Book are aright; but [Tzaddi] is not the Star.

"MY book"? Which book? It must be an "old book" i.e it isn't Liber Al.


The one "book" in which everyone already (at that date) assumes "Tzaddi is The Star." tarot.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:12 am

Agreed.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby gerry456 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:57 pm

Ergo Nuit created the Tarot book?
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:57 pm

gerry456 wrote:Ergo Nuit created the Tarot book?

Or owns a copy. :D

As Tarot is expressed as a circle, and in the Golden Dawn Second Order (where Crowley had his fundamental training) the entire 78-card Tarot model is expressed as a spherical deployment of the zodiac - a completely celestial sphere with every part of its three-dimensional surface mapped to one of the 78 cards - this does seem a pretty remarkable correlative to She who is the entire body of space - the whole of the celestial sphere.

For She has traced the characters of Nature upon herself with her fingers, and none can read them unless taught in her school...
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby gerry456 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:50 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:[
Or owns a copy. :D

As Tarot is expressed as a circle, and in the Golden Dawn Second Order (where Crowley had his fundamental training) the entire 78-card Tarot model is expressed as a spherical deployment of the zodiac - a completely celestial sphere with every part of its three-dimensional surface mapped to one of the 78 cards - this does seem a pretty remarkable correlative to She who is the entire body of space - the whole of the celestial sphere.

For She has traced the characters of Nature upon herself with her fingers, and none can read them unless taught in her school...


so if the Tarot was first developed/skryed in Egyptian civilization then yeah Nuit was there to bestow it and "returns" in 1904 to speak of Her book?
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Luce » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:37 pm

For She has traced the characters of Nature upon herself with her fingers, and none can read them unless taught in her school...


Beautiful.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Takamba » Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:31 pm

gerry456 wrote:so if the Tarot was first developed/skryed in Egyptian civilization then yeah Nuit was there to bestow it and "returns" in 1904 to speak of Her book?


Well, let's not argue particulars. Let's just say that the Tarot is a complete system mapping the Universe (just like the Tree of Life is).
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Luce » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:40 pm

Yeah, I wouldn't imagine it's meant to be taken so specifically, especially regarding history. It's my understanding that an Ancient Egyptian origin for tarot is pretty dubious.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Hermitas » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:21 am

Well, we're talking about a secret tradition that only became apparent with the first publicly printed decks. But in the tradition, Initiates drew their own decks. Oral tradition, a la Paul Foster Case, says its current format goes back to Morroco in the 1100s. Before that, we're talking about not tarot in its current form but the *origins* of the current tarot, which I think you can see in the 3 mother letters (3 Qualities), 7 double letters (7 chakras) and 12 standard letters (12 astrological signs) of the Hebrew alphabet (22 Trumps - the "book" in question) - which goes back at least to their stay in Egypt if not previously involved in it.

Yeah, I'm a Hermes Trismegistus guy. With stuff like this, I always lean away from the idea that the origin must only be said to begin with the currently existing written evidence. It began as a secret mystical tradition - not as a public card game from France.

Dubious, schmoobius. It is the secret of everything. I just can't look at what it is and think it started as a popular card game in France though that may have been the first time it was ever put through one of those new-fangled printing press thingies.
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Re: "MY book"? Which book?

Postby Hermitas » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:12 am

To me, I hear it as saying that the meeting of Initiates in Morroco either "got it wrong" or intended to keep something hidden. Maybe there was a compromise.. I don't know if anyone knows.
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