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Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Sun May 22, 2016 4:27 am

Liber Al Cp 2:52

Is this passage directed at Roman Catholic nuns specifically?

There is a veil: that veil is black. It is the veil of the modest woman; it is the veil of sorrow, & the pall of death: this is none of me. Tear down that lying spectre of the centuries: veil not your vices in virtuous words: these vices are my service; ye do well, & I will reward you here and hereafter.

I don't have a problem with Catholic nuns per se as and you can seek the evidence for yourself, most of them exude genuine strength, joy and compassion.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Sun May 22, 2016 6:57 pm

"Veil" though. I imagined a hijab.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Mon May 23, 2016 7:54 am

IMNotSoHO

The self is rebellious and non-conforming and so full of energy. If a person isn't ready, it's too hot to handle; it destroys marriages and quits jobs and leads a person astray, because in a regular, Osiris-age mind there's a lot of confusion about the subtle differences between the subconscious self (and its animal drives) and the higher self (and its drive).

So, for the sake of budding civilization, for the greater good, for stability and consistency, the time of Osiris was one of denying the self. Jesus as the self-denying figure who sacrifices himself for the greater good is the role model for the regular person who ought to live a steady, normal life--get a job, get married, be productive, procreate; do what society needs.

Now the average person is starting to move beyond that. We're figuring out how to be true to our hearts without being destructive to ourselves and others. Some of that battle for the freedom to let our light shine is external, but a lot of the war is an internal one--tearing down that veil of humility and self-sacrifice that keeps us hiding our true selves.

We still have to be accountable to ourselves for our actions and consequences, but that doesn't mean we let guilt or remorse or unworthiness subdue us. To be part of the new phase of human evolution, we have to stand tall and proud and boldly claim the birthright to let our Self be unlimited by these old patterns.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Wed May 25, 2016 8:00 am

Yes Avshalom, a good assessment of the madness of such Orders in the present aeon.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Wed May 25, 2016 10:00 am

Oh.... that part of a nun's habit is called a veil too.

Good to know.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Wed May 25, 2016 2:37 pm

Hermitas wrote:Oh.... that part of a nun's habit is called a veil too.

Good to know.


Yeah I only ever thought it related to Catholic nuns.

In a similar vein, what was that exercise Crowley created, something about making a pentagram every time you see a nun in the street? Source MITAP.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Takamba » Wed May 25, 2016 4:07 pm

I'm fond of апо пантос како демоназ whenever I cross clergy in my path.
"If we are to have Beauty and Love, whether in begetting children or works of art, or what not, we must have perfect freedom to act, without fear or shame or any falsity."
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Wed May 25, 2016 4:37 pm

Well... Honestly, I bet they're just as afraid of you as you are of them.

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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Takamba » Wed May 25, 2016 5:25 pm

"There is no evil here." (contrary to popular interpretation)

And yes, esoterically I'm staying on topic.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Thu May 26, 2016 1:36 am

Takamba wrote:"There is no evil here." (contrary to popular interpretation)

And yes, esoterically I'm staying on topic.


That's a radical act. Do you mentally recite it or make an actual gesture? Where is the initial source btw?
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Takamba » Thu May 26, 2016 5:16 am

gerry456 wrote:
Takamba wrote:"There is no evil here." (contrary to popular interpretation)

And yes, esoterically I'm staying on topic.


That's a radical act. Do you mentally recite it or make an actual gesture? Where is the initial source btw?



Initial source of what? The inspiration behind me doing this? I can't remember but I suspect the original question about it being in MITP is possibly true. It was something, as I recall, that I just started doing. I recite the line in a quiet whisper and my right hand in the shape of the priestly gesture of Benediction (done without removing my hand from whatever position it originally is at the time - meaning, maybe at my side, maybe in my pocket, or whatever my hand was doing at the time I spot a clergy or someone I recognize as part of a ministry).

It's just something I enjoy doing.

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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Thu May 26, 2016 7:28 am

Yeah, Mitap, it is but I cant find the chapter, probably to do with Will development.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Gnosomai Emauton » Thu May 26, 2016 3:19 pm

Magick Without Tears, ch16: On Concentration
Go in all ways contrary to the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Fri May 27, 2016 6:26 am

Gnosomai Emauton wrote:Magick Without Tears, ch16: On Concentration


Thank ye.
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Fri May 27, 2016 11:04 am

Lately... it just seems like everything's just a trick to get you to say something you'll just have to pay for.

Meh.. I'm gonna go back to being quiet.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Fri May 27, 2016 11:56 am

All the greetings, salutations, "Saying Will," periodical adorations, even saying "apo pantos kakodaimonos" with a downward and outward sweep of the arm, the eyes averted, when one sees a person dressed in a religious (Christian) uniform: ." ............etc

Magick Without Tears, ch16: On Concentration

Good practice.

viewtopic.php?t=452 on the origins of this Greek phrase; "Away, every evil daimon!"
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2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby seekinghga » Fri May 27, 2016 1:58 pm

Hermitas wrote:Lately... it just seems like everything's just a trick to get you to say something you'll just have to pay for.

Meh.. I'm gonna go back to being quiet.

Worthy Gurnemanz schooled Parzival in the best ways or behavior that he knew how. He expressed his teachings to the young knight with the highest upholding of virtue and unity of soul. Thus was the young Parzival ready for his triumphant entry into the spirit of knighthood and valor and honor. Yet, unbeknownst to him, Gurnemanz laid a faulty path and made sorrow the mark of the day for many a prolonged year that needn't have been...

"This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough.[...]Success is your proof; courage is your armour; go on, go on, in my strength; & ye shall not turn back for any!"
- AL III:11 & 46

;) And my post is in compliance with the topic of this thread in a couple ways.

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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Fri May 27, 2016 4:07 pm

Just loud enough.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Hermitas » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:51 pm

Alright, I've been sitting with it for a few days.

I even ran into a local preacher, and I was asking inwardly, "Okay. Show me."

He was cool enough. Kind, gracious, easy to get along with... But then he went into the "Well, if following the rules could get you there, the Jesus wouldn't have had to die on a cross."

And that's when I did it - when he started attempting conversion - just quietly to myself. I already know 5 times over what I think about Jesus and how I think he was misinterpreted, and I just didn't want any part of playing the "original sin" game - reliving arguments in my head I've been through a thousand times already.

I'll give you that.

But I still think doing it, as seemingly described, right in their face just on sight of their clothing is... just... (biting my tongue)... um.. over the top for several reasons.

I know at least a couple personlly that I just wouldn't have to do it around at all. They're not "converters."

Alright. I'm done with it.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Takamba » Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:16 pm

I never did it to ward them away, but just to keep the peace. I also use Apo Pantos Kakodaimonos for other potential disturbances. That's why my translation (for various reasons) isn't "[go] away evil spirits" but "away [from here/me are] spirits of evil." Or, as that's a translation, I interpret it as "There is no evil here."
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:54 am

Takamba wrote:I never did it to ward them away, but just to keep the peace. I also use Apo Pantos Kakodaimonos for other potential disturbances. That's why my translation (for various reasons) isn't "[go] away evil spirits" but "away [from here/me are] spirits of evil." Or, as that's a translation, I interpret it as "There is no evil here."


You do it out loud?
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby Takamba » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:11 am

gerry456 wrote:
Takamba wrote:I never did it to ward them away, but just to keep the peace. I also use Apo Pantos Kakodaimonos for other potential disturbances. That's why my translation (for various reasons) isn't "[go] away evil spirits" but "away [from here/me are] spirits of evil." Or, as that's a translation, I interpret it as "There is no evil here."


You do it out loud?


A quiet whisper or silently depending on circumstances.
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Re: Cp 2:52

Postby gerry456 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:14 am

Takamba wrote:A quiet whisper or silently depending on circumstances.


..so if someone took you to meet these guys you would have a job on your hands
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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