Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

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Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby gerry456 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:26 am

Crowley's Liber Al comments are full of the "survival of the fittest" concept as is Satanism which borrows heavily from Nietzsche. Psychiatrists note that paranoid types also function on this level and Cabbalistically, I can see how this paranoia derives from someone being hopelessly lost in their Nephesh. How would you seek to align these two contending forces which describe the same thing?
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby Mike » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:13 pm

93.

gerry456 wrote:How would you seek to align these two contending forces which describe the same thing?


Realize that those remarks can only fully apply within oneself; anything else is potentially infringing the Will of another being.
Alternately - no one on earth gets to play God and decide who among them is "fit."

Just my 2.

93, 93/93.
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby gerry456 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:40 am

Ash wrote:93.

Realize that those remarks can only fully apply within oneself; anything else is potentially infringing the Will of another being.
Alternately - no one on earth gets to play God and decide who among them is "fit."

Just my 2.

93, 93/93.


Yeah that's a good."2".
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby Hermitas » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:37 am

"Paranoid types function on this level," so therefore...?

I don't think you can take a main principle of evolution and reduce everyone who talks about it to trafficking in paranoia. Paranoids don't just "function on this level," they have a whole alternate interpretation of events simultaneously running in their minds. That's the defining characteristic that sets them apart from normal.

I also think "hopelessly" is too strong a word choice. There *are* paranoids who do have brain abnormalities fueling their alternate interpretations of reality. There are also qabalists on a path of spiritual development that get stuck, as you say, but in their case, I don't see their situation as "hopeless" because it's isn't rooted in brain abnormality - just insufficient development. They must learn to distinguish the Voice (of the HGA) from the lesser voices (qliphotic and psychic noise).
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby gerry456 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Hermitas wrote:"Paranoid types function on this level," so therefore...?

I don't think you can take a main principle of evolution and reduce everyone who talks about it to trafficking in paranoia. .
).


Not a biologist teaching his spoon fed text book theories to school children, no, but someone driven by and operating within the sphere of social engineering?
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby danica » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:31 pm

Approach every person you interact with with awareness that he/she is a Star just like you are. Do it all the time, continuously, throughout the day, in every interaction. When this becomes a subconscious pattern, a natural tendency of the psyche, even if some kind of paranoid through/feeling arises, you'll be able to recognize it for what it is - a mere reactivity, something coming out of fear, or from the old patterns of your persona, not the truth of your Self (nor the truth about the other, which is for us unknowable).

Is a star, moving in its orbit, in any way really "endangered" by any other star (or planet, or whatever), or the Universe?
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Re: Thelema and "survival of the fittest".

Postby oldfriend56 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:15 pm

danica wrote:Is a star, moving in its orbit, in any way really "endangered" by any other star (or planet, or whatever), or the Universe?


A fair question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_collision
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