gerry456 wrote:oldfriend56 wrote:.
Then who is AL's rich man? Do you accept that this could be an historical figure, Trump or not?
.
Someone who gave AC money when he was down and out? Parsons? Some say it is symbolic of a solar god going down in the west.
Ok, sure maybe that was *his* personal meaning, just like any Thelemite I suppose will have their own sync or interpretative meaning, but I'm asking about the collective historical. RHK is not me, it is not you, it is not them, RHK is all of humanity, right now. So 'There cometh a rich man from the west' is perhaps for all of us too, and if so - who is it?
oldfriend56 wrote:.
Do you accept that this could be an historical figure, Trump or not?
.
As above, surely it is a specific prophecy about AC receiving funds in his lifetime according to his mission as prophet.
AL also , according to AC, predicted the fate of a mistress who "toyed with old sweetnesses". Why do you want it to be Trump? I don't get the context of the words of RHK about a rich man from the west and some President 11 decades down the line.
okay, please don't mistake this query. I DONT want it to be Trump, and without getting into politics, I am less than thrilled by his presence in our history, thelemic or otherwise. However, I do acknowledge him historically, he is significant.
AC informs us that the third chapter relates to humanity at our present time, if all AL is is a bunch of personal hints and puzzles for AC to follow it's not much use to us, no?
oldfriend56 wrote:.
I agree with you on the women's issue, but women 'lead' all minority voices . .
Do they? My female bosses don't. On a macrocosmic scale I don't know if females stand up for the perceived oppressed moreso either.
I mean more macro statistically. It's a numbers thing. Consider; Globally all nations in some way have been emerging from male dominated cultures, so naturally women are literally the first and only minority voice. Then, in western countries, minority voices emerge but in smaller number - for example black voices, gay voices, jewish voices, atheist voices, etc
So when we see the largest minority voice rise up, it is a good sign that it is the first in a longer curve of other minority voices trailing behind. Note the women's rights in this country predated civil rights, which predated gay rights.
What? As above. There's a lot of Sarah Palins out there y'know.
yes, but they arn't the ladies marchin either

oldfriend56 wrote:.
. But that could also be more of a symptom.
.
A symptom of what?
A 'symptom' of the breakdown of the older order and the emergence of the new order.
Well yeah the relevancy of AL today is the advice I get about avoiding
1. hurt
and
2. the direful judgements of RHK
Ok sure, you want to focus on your personal results and applications, I get that.
I just don't care about politics or who the people get excited about. I don't know why anyone would want to preoccupy themselves with such trivia?
A zeitgiest is nothing more than a 'spirit of the times'. AL claims to literally be THE 'spirit' of the aeon.
SO it depends why Thelema or AL interests you.
For some of us, we want to be apart of a better more conscious more aware world. We want to help and serve the emergence of a new more sane and productive world and society.
Events in history are apart of a continued curve of dialogue leading to more and more liberation of humanity. AL could, or should be a tool for those who can apply it in that way, and using it as an historical map is like a 'YOU ARE HERE' arrow on a map.