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Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby FiatYod » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:57 am

Every man and every woman is a star.

Since Liber AL is class A, it may be changed not so much as the style of a letter.
Do you think that phrasing it "Every man and every woman" holds any significance?
Was Nuit trying to warn us of the genderqueer?
... Just kidding.

But why not "Every person is a star"? Why not "Every living being is a star"? Why not "Everything is a star"?
I'd love to read your opinions.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:01 pm

FiatYod wrote:
Every man and every woman is a star.

Since Liber AL is class A, it may be changed not so much as the style of a letter.
Do you think that phrasing it "Every man and every woman" holds any significance?
Was Nuit trying to warn us of the genderqueer?
... Just kidding.

But why not "Every person is a star"? Why not "Every living being is a star"? Why not "Everything is a star"?
I'd love to read your opinions.


I'd say it's a good question, or actually a set of questions with all those qualifications. Not every "thing" is a star. Chairs are not stars, they have no ability to be self-directed. Every living being is not a "star," a "khabs," as the consciousness (availability of options for self-directed evolution on any plane) of the khabs is not available to lions, tigers, or bears (though we do like to make cartoons as if they were). Every "person?" Good point in this new age of gender sensitivity, but not very magical. "I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union." Now that's what I call romantic! More specifically, though, it appears well worded to make sure it describes every "individual," and is not, thanks to the inclusion of the word "and," to mean "every joined couple is a star" (ie. "every man and woman is a star" is not the chosen language).

My opinion is that Liber AL prophecies a more androgynous sexual courtship, but the concept of male and female yet remains. It's an interesting puzzle I suppose.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:57 pm

All language is limited and every holy book becomes outdated on some levels as humans evolve, or there would be no need for more holy books.

Trans people are obviously, unequivocally every bit as much stars as anyone else, however they identify--as men, women, or of nonbinary gender.
Every man and every woman is a star.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:32 pm

We all have masculine and feminine aspects.
I have believed that statement was written as to first assert in its day and age that women and men are equal and then also written to remind us each that each aspect of our dual nature is a star as well. At least for me it serves me well to remember my latent/supressed/non expressed masculine side is as bright and shiney and beautiful as my obvious femine side. It is a good self check when my mind wanders to thoughts that do not serve my true nature, which is sexless.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:22 am

Take-aways so far:

Every man and every woman is a star.
There are such things as non-binary stars. Who knew?
Liber AL is now outdated?

Baby, it's cold outside.
Me too!
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:34 am

It *is* cold outside but the sun is shining...

Before the night is through
You will see my point of view

https://youtu.be/c56e_xRtOdQ
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:46 am

U might B on 2 something.

Here's another clue for your heart; this one was written by Jamie Starr

https://youtu.be/zioEaqjPAGI
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:37 pm

Oh boy
Now youve gone and done it.
You got my Scorpio moonNeptune conjunction all pumped up. Jim said Scorpio is like a volcano.
Im gonna tell you all a little something about this so called "another clue for your heart"
Because no one can tell it like I can.

First though,  Im gonna tell you about a line I read in childrens book that has been running through my head.  The story was a bout a little boy and a little girl, and the secrets they kept from each other, and secrets thier family kept.

The book is _The Other Wood_

"He said secrets have the power to break the world in two.  If I have a secret and you dont know it, then you live in one world and I live another, right? And if the secret is really big, then maybe our worlds break apart completely."

I am on to something,
And UB2......

Why does the Book of the Law say
"Every man and every woman is a star. ?

Because its true.
And it shouldnt be a secret
Not one of us is better then anyone else.
Every single thing and nothing is exactly the same.
Everything is energy.
Potential or kinetic.

As a human being walking on this earth,  I am no better or worse then joe schmoo from idaho.
And no one is better then me.

Now this secret clue
Ub2
777-9311
Umhummm
Take it to heart for it is the key.


Jim and Takamba I have seen deal with some hard headed, crooked walking, out in space folks,  like myself,  with love and kindness and gentleness. Never getting thier panties in bunch about the insults, assaults, attacks, and slimey behaviors (unlike me, who seriously needs to just throw the damn bloomers out and forget about worrying about panty lines and yoga pants).

How?
How can they roll with the punches and kindly say, Do What Thou Wilt....over and over to people like a subliminal tape.

Because they know,
The muslim who chopped off the Christians head,  is a star.
The Baptist Priest who raped little boys,  is a star.
The Kla n member who lynched a black man, is a star.
The serial murder who tortured families,  is a star.

The ugliest person alive buy what ever thier personal definition of ugly is,  is still a star.

That person of that faith that you obhor,  that race, that class, that sex, that minset.....is a human being, conditioned by its environment and born from exact same stardust each and everything thing in existance and non existance came from. 

We are all one.
Every man and every woman is a star.

There is no seperation.
On anything.

To deny one thing as the star it is
Is to deny yourself.

That right there is restriction,  and restriction is the only sin.

Takamba and Jim as the good friends they are,  know I struggle trying to wrap my mind around the things I percieve,  the actions and words of others that hurt,  the beliefs that torment, and the constant feeling of not being able to be the shiny star I am for fear that people will not understand and see me as a star, but a black hole. 
They patiently and compassionatly listen and respond kindly. Never saying
Your crazy
Your stupid
Your wrong
Your a whore
Your bad
Your mean....

Never.
And believe  me
I have said some whoppers

They treat me with respect and kindness and love.
Im lucky to know such good people, when I myself am so reactive.  But thats part of my nature, part of what makes me, me,  my unique self that mainfested out of some deeper need of life to express itself.

Life want a me.
It wanted a you
It wanted a him
And an garbage man
And a gardener
An an ex murder

For some secret reason, life wants to expierence all its potentially.
777-9311
UB2
In the Goddess/Nuit/Mother/Creatrix/subconscious  all things are possible and nothing or no one is better.
In God/Haddit/Father/Conditioner/conscious the one point coalesces or collaspes upon itself under such pressure, it bursts

I am divided for Loves sake.

Its cold outside

Thats no secret.
But the clue is
In my heart
I have all the power of a burning star.
And its warm and cozy
And I dont have to worry about what is going on out there
Why the muslim chopps off heads
And the Baptists rape
I just tend my heart/hearth and focus on me.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby FiatYod » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:14 am

Corvinae wrote:Oh boy
Now youve gone and done it.
You got my Scorpio moonNeptune conjunction all pumped up. Jim said Scorpio is like a volcano.
Im gonna tell you all a little something about this so called "another clue for your heart"
Because no one can tell it like I can.

First though,  Im gonna tell you about a line I read in childrens book that has been running through my head.  The story was a bout a little boy and a little girl, and the secrets they kept from each other, and secrets thier family kept.

The book is _The Other Wood_

"He said secrets have the power to break the world in two.  If I have a secret and you dont know it, then you live in one world and I live another, right? And if the secret is really big, then maybe our worlds break apart completely."

I am on to something,
And UB2......

Why does the Book of the Law say
"Every man and every woman is a star. ?

Because its true.
And it shouldnt be a secret
Not one of us is better then anyone else.
Every single thing and nothing is exactly the same.
Everything is energy.
Potential or kinetic.

As a human being walking on this earth,  I am no better or worse then joe schmoo from idaho.
And no one is better then me.

Now this secret clue
Ub2
777-9311
Umhummm
Take it to heart for it is the key.


Jim and Takamba I have seen deal with some hard headed, crooked walking, out in space folks,  like myself,  with love and kindness and gentleness. Never getting thier panties in bunch about the insults, assaults, attacks, and slimey behaviors (unlike me, who seriously needs to just throw the damn bloomers out and forget about worrying about panty lines and yoga pants).

How?
How can they roll with the punches and kindly say, Do What Thou Wilt....over and over to people like a subliminal tape.

Because they know,
The muslim who chopped off the Christians head,  is a star.
The Baptist Priest who raped little boys,  is a star.
The Kla n member who lynched a black man, is a star.
The serial murder who tortured families,  is a star.

The ugliest person alive buy what ever thier personal definition of ugly is,  is still a star.

That person of that faith that you obhor,  that race, that class, that sex, that minset.....is a human being, conditioned by its environment and born from exact same stardust each and everything thing in existance and non existance came from. 

We are all one.
Every man and every woman is a star.

There is no seperation.
On anything.

To deny one thing as the star it is
Is to deny yourself.

That right there is restriction,  and restriction is the only sin.

Takamba and Jim as the good friends they are,  know I struggle trying to wrap my mind around the things I percieve,  the actions and words of others that hurt,  the beliefs that torment, and the constant feeling of not being able to be the shiny star I am for fear that people will not understand and see me as a star, but a black hole. 
They patiently and compassionatly listen and respond kindly. Never saying
Your crazy
Your stupid
Your wrong
Your a whore
Your bad
Your mean....

Never.
And believe  me
I have said some whoppers

They treat me with respect and kindness and love.
Im lucky to know such good people, when I myself am so reactive.  But thats part of my nature, part of what makes me, me,  my unique self that mainfested out of some deeper need of life to express itself.

Life want a me.
It wanted a you
It wanted a him
And an garbage man
And a gardener
An an ex murder

For some secret reason, life wants to expierence all its potentially.
777-9311
UB2
In the Goddess/Nuit/Mother/Creatrix/subconscious  all things are possible and nothing or no one is better.
In God/Haddit/Father/Conditioner/conscious the one point coalesces or collaspes upon itself under such pressure, it bursts

I am divided for Loves sake.

Its cold outside

Thats no secret.
But the clue is
In my heart
I have all the power of a burning star.
And its warm and cozy
And I dont have to worry about what is going on out there
Why the muslim chopps off heads
And the Baptists rape
I just tend my heart/hearth and focus on me.

I was not saying that "Every man and every woman is a star" is not right; I was asking about the phrasing - why not "Every human being is a star", as your comment seemed to suggest?
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:25 am

Because
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:35 pm

FiatYod wrote:I was not saying that "Every man and every woman is a star" is not right; I was asking about the phrasing - why not "Every human being is a star", as your comment seemed to suggest?

Can you let me know what you define as a "star"? Every point conscious of distinction is Hadit. It is Nuit. I guess. No probs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuRYoBEOMHI
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby FiatYod » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:48 pm

seekinghga wrote:
FiatYod wrote:I was not saying that "Every man and every woman is a star" is not right; I was asking about the phrasing - why not "Every human being is a star", as your comment seemed to suggest?

Can you let me know what you define as a "star"? Every point conscious of distinction is Hadit. It is Nuit. I guess. No probs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuRYoBEOMHI

Consider:
1. Hadit is (the flame that burns) in the core of every star
2. Khabs is the name of Hadit's house
3. The Khabs is in the Khu
I guess it means that the entire "star" in this context is the Khu.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:14 am

FiatYod wrote:Consider:
1. Hadit is (the flame that burns) in the core of every star
2. Khabs is the name of Hadit's house
3. The Khabs is in the Khu
I guess it means that the entire "star" in this context is the Khu.

Well, except for its core, the star is a composite of core and shell, though the only meaningful aspect, from a spiritual standpoint, is the core. I think we can equate Khabs with consciousness, Hadit being an abstraction of that. Hadit is any position which is capable of experience. That position manifests as consciousness (Ain Soph to Kether) and then anything that that consciousness identifies with or perceives is Khu (Kether to Tiphareth). It's pretty heady stuff, methinks! :P
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby FiatYod » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:19 am

seekinghga wrote:
FiatYod wrote:Consider:
1. Hadit is (the flame that burns) in the core of every star
2. Khabs is the name of Hadit's house
3. The Khabs is in the Khu
I guess it means that the entire "star" in this context is the Khu.

Well, except for its core, the star is a composite of core and shell, though the only meaningful aspect, from a spiritual standpoint, is the core. I think we can equate Khabs with consciousness, Hadit being an abstraction of that. Hadit is any position which is capable of experience. That position manifests as consciousness (Ain Soph to Kether) and then anything that that consciousness identifies with or perceives is Khu (Kether to Tiphareth). It's pretty heady stuff, methinks! :P

Heady indeed!
What's your take on the significance of "Every man and every woman"?
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:52 am

Hidden qabalah in it
"If we are to have Beauty and Love, whether in begetting children or works of art, or what not, we must have perfect freedom to act, without fear or shame or any falsity."
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:51 am

FiatYod wrote:What's your take on the significance of "Every man and every woman"?

It means what it says, though I think we can read between the lines to include any gender variants and that this won't at all change the spirit of the text.¹ Beyond that the onus is on the individual. "Nu is your refuge as Hadit your light; and I am the strength, force, vigour, of your arms." Outdated, oppressive and broken systems need replaced but deifying and coddling Egos is not progress.

I will add that gender as a facet of our identity is not all that important in the spiritual scheme of things, as infers the star. Pronouns are just words (I am aware that that statement might seem dismissive or indifferent, I assure you that it isn't). Especially at the stages where one becomes concerned with attaining adepthood, where we first can get a genuine "feel" beyond a glimpse of the impersonal star beneath/within. For most of us the mind appears a cohesive whole but as we develop concentration and learn to still the motions of that mind the gradient strata of the structure becomes more and more apparent. Gender, race, religion, nationality, personality, etc. all separate and fall away from our awareness in the centrifuge of meditation. As features of personal identity they ultimately serve only as countenances of tendency, the building blocks of the Ego. Spiritually and physically gender is merely an expression of function; plug/socket, etc.

Crowley's Comment on I:3:
"Its main statement is that each human being is an Element of the Cosmos, self-determined and supreme, co-equal with all other Gods."

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1. I'll include this note to avoid a particular breed of rebuttal wherein someone might be tempted to say, "well seekinghga, if we can 'read between the lines' to defuse the gender issue then why stop there? Why not include animals in 'man and woman'?" To which I would reply that the basic element of the khabs of any animal is the same as that which comprises your khabs or mine. Animals, when left to their own devices, are doing their True Wills in most cases (heck, still further, even the river flows, the mountain sits still...). However, their limitation lies within the means by which they can impact the world. When not left to their own devices they have little capability beyond flight or tooth and nail to reassert their proper orbit. The vessel or apparatus by which divinity or Genius flows through them is tremendously narrow to affect their environment. Ergo, humans rule this planet. *Leaves the floor open for any super-animals to step forth and present themselves to the peanut gallery*
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:55 am

I brought peanuts.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:24 pm

I love peanuts!!!

Takamba I told you my favorite is rye toast with butter and peanut butter!!!

Yummy stuff.

Wanna know how I make peanut butter?

Its like making stars ya know.

Stars like humans are mass of all kinds of stuff. A pinch of this and a dab of that. But....heres the thing that makes stars. Nobel gases.
They are elements which have allready a perfect ring.
They dont make chemical equations on there own. Except in highly unusual (so we are lead to believe) circumstance (or is it circumferences?.. ...i might be being blinded here)
They have no need to bond with things like heium or carbon or oxygen.. ..they are just fine on there own.
Yet when they do desire to bond (just how does a pure element desire?? Hmmmm)
Bang!
You get peanut butter with butter on rye toast

Human being spend along time thinking that they need such and such to make thier life better, easier, happier, healthier because they deny (sin, restrict) to themselves that they allready have all that they really need.
So they get into relationships with others, because they think they are sodium who needs chorine so that that they can be happy being table salt. Or hydrogen needing some oxygen so they can wash away the salt with water.

I said I was a unicorn and that just crazy. How can a girl be a unicorn, unicorns are males. Yet there I was....being a unicorn because I felt like that was what the world (me) needed, something magical and crazy and fun and whimisical to believe in.....and now unicorns are all over the place running amuck and eating peanuts.

Its a wierd world.

I am a star.
I have within me two elements that are whole and pure and nobel. And that is the yoga of the self, the I and Thou dancing around the kitchen waiting for the toaster to pop up some rye so it came be buttered and peanut buttered.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:11 am

Corvinae wrote:I said I was a unicorn and that just crazy. How can a girl be a unicorn, unicorns are males.

You are.

Its a wierd world.

It is.

I am a star.
I have within me two elements that are whole and pure and nobel. And that is the yoga of the self, the I and Thou dancing around the kitchen waiting for the toaster to pop up some rye so it came be buttered and peanut buttered.

Poetry! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rCQNKsyoE


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Takamba wrote:Hidden qabalah in it

Takamba wrote:I brought peanuts.

Seriously? You DO know what qabalah does to peanuts, yes?
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:40 pm

Thanks for the pretty song...
It reminded me of my early twenties when for some odd reason I was studying ancient English Tapestry art of Unicorns and reading the Book of Kells.

Sigh....great fun that road was....learning all about celtic knot work and such....

And then it seemed like everyone started getting tatoos of it and it became trendy.

Unicorns dont do trendy
We make trendy.

I am thinking of studying etymology more in depth and tossing that around. Maybe bring our ghetto slang back to its PIE root.

Im so sick of hearing
Bae and bruh

Or maybe I will study glaperastant and deonocforation and really wow the world.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Takamba » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:35 pm

seekinghga wrote:Seriously? You DO know what qabalah does to peanuts, yes?


I have no words.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:55 pm

Takamba wrote:I have no words.

Don't you remember the shiny tugboat? Paris? You, me, Hemmingway, with Gertrude Stein steering in the back... Don't you remember Carol? Ohhh.... *drools*


Corvinae wrote:Unicorns dont do trendy
We make trendy.

Duly noted! ;)

Or maybe I will study glaperastant and deonocforation and really wow the world.

And in my own vocabulary, floccinaucinihilipilification never appears... Sesquipedalian... (seriously, j/k)
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:50 am

Never is a very long time.
It never appears hmmmm......
Well maybe its because your not focusing right.
I was never able to see what was in those magic eye pictures.....and then....one day....I got so upset that I couldnt....and Takamba could.....I just believed and trusted and surrendered....and
Bang
I saw many images in the one.....

So trust that if you keep looking and look with your heart and not just your eyes.....your thingambob will reveal itself.
Never say never.....
Which is just a silly thing to say and mathematically doesnt make sence.
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby seekinghga » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:49 am

Corvinae wrote:Never is a very long time.
It never appears hmmmm......
Well maybe its because your not focusing right.
I was never able to see what was in those magic eye pictures.....and then....one day....I got so upset that I couldnt....and Takamba could.....I just believed and trusted and surrendered....and
Bang
I saw many images in the one.....

So trust that if you keep looking and look with your heart and not just your eyes.....your thingambob will reveal itself.
Never say never.....
Which is just a silly thing to say and mathematically doesnt make sence.

Some people may think that Aleister Crowley was a feeble, drug-addled old man in the mid-1940s. He wasn't. But speaking through him...

"This is where I want to have you, with us who are come thus far, in a state utterly detached from the Ego, so that you appear the plain Jane Wolfe 'doing your duty in that state of life to which it has pleased God to call you' and consequently unremarked—like a Rosicrucian, 'wearing the habit of the country in which you are traveling'—but trembling with interior illumination, so that the first relaxation of the constant conscious burden of Jane Wolfe, Soror Estai is automatically released, a pillar of Creative Light."
- Magick Without Tears

Are those the words of an enfeebled aged man? In my eyes I see the Magus of the Aeon of Horus exhorting one of his students to cross the Abyss. I am not an answer. You are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX39uHKAZHo
"And they that read the book and debated thereon passed into the desolate land of Barren Words. And they that sealed up the book into their blood were the chosen of Adonai, and the Thought of Adonai was a Word and a Deed; and they abode in the Land that the far-off travellers call Naught."
- LXV 5:59
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Re: Why "Every man and every woman"?

Postby Corvinae » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:01 am

I found this little gem from a thread when I was digging about for info on my beloved Unicornness (which for a word should be promptly added to vocabulary lists IMHO).

I think it has a great deal to say to explain the original question of this thread so I am adding it here for the benefit of inquiring hearts and minds.

Tinman wrote:I note this from Jim's commentary to Liber AL, 1:3. Every man and every woman is a star:

“Star” is here, apparently, Khabs. Each of us is, at our core, Khabs; but our lives, our veils etc., are Khabs am Pekht, “Light in extension.” (I have developed this more extensively for initiates of the Artisan Degree of Temple of Thelema.) This, as 451 (the Greek Konx Om Pax), is of course the central idea of the name A.'.A.'.. Knowledge of self, and of our way, and of the world, is encompassed in the phrase, “Light in extension,” and our ability to witness that L.V.X. “Khabs” is related to Kokav, Mercury, “star” (hence the eight words of this verse?). Every man and every woman is Kokav.
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