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Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby Knowledge + Delight » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:39 am

from the wikipedia page on AC:

Elaine Simpson ... a fellow occultist who had been his colleague in the Golden Dawn ... fascinated by The Book of the Law and the prophetic message that it contained, something he had been ignoring, and together they performed a ritual to invoke Aiwass once more. The ritual proved successful, and Aiwass provided Crowley with the message that he should "Return to Egypt, with same surroundings. There I will give thee signs." Nonetheless, Crowley ignored the advice of Aiwass, instead heading off to America.

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Stopping off at the Japanese port of Kobe along the way, Crowley had a vision which he interpreted as meaning that the great spiritual beings known as the Secret Chiefs had admitted him into the Third Order of the Golden Dawn. Subsequently arriving in America, he found no support for his proposed mountaineering expedition, and so set sail to return to Britain.

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Upon arrival at Britain, Crowley learned that his daughter Lilith had died of typhoid in Rangoon and that his wife had begun suffering from alcoholism.


I can't help but wonder about this. Why did Crowley ignore Aiwass? Why would he? What could have transpired differently... what message was (possibly) missed?


Also, with the death of his daughter Lilith, and the downfall of Rose, can that be considered a 'fulfillment of prophesy' as contained within the pages of Liber AL?


Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.
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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:52 am

From his Confessions at about this time:
I resented intensely being told that I was "the Chosen One". It is such an obvious man-trap; it is the commonest delusion of the maniac and, in one form or another, the essence of all delusions.


He had a lot of personal reservations to overcome before he could accept the Book of the Law.
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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby pad631 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:21 pm

Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetnesses; then shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered.
-- AL III:43


I doubt that this is a kind of threat, but rather a prophecy about something that will happen in the future.

Or that is for all Scarlet Woman in general.

Maybe L.A is in some little parts comes from A.C-s unconscious.
But maybe only , I'm not sure. Wouldn't know really such thing. Just guessing.

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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby pad631 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:08 pm

I think it's allegorical


Yes, yes, of course.

Perhaps in the context of the time when that has happened.
This is related to A.C
And today it is related to others , maybe -:)

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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby Bereshith » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:00 am

In dreams, many consider a "child" to symbolize a personal creation, whether it be something concrete or an abstract idea.
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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby FraterAnimiLiberare » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:56 pm

Knowledge + Delight wrote:I can't help but wonder about this. Why did Crowley ignore Aiwass? Why would he? What could have transpired differently... what message was (possibly) missed?

I am trying to pin-point exactly when this happened, I know I read of this working numerous times I believe in Chapter 59 and 60 of Confessions (Magical Workings with Soror F) but I may be wrong because I don't have my copy with me at the moment. He obviously didn't blow it off completely or there would be no mention of it anywhere. As was mentioned, he did not fully accept the Book of the Law until years after the reception, and even then he had problems with pieces of it like section III.

*EDIT* I found the chapter I was looking for in Confessions and will read it and see what I gather. From memory of reading this Chapter a handful of times in the past I believe that he went to work with her specifically because he thought she would be as equally reluctant with, and offended by, Liber AL and the idea that he was the "chosen one". as he was. Instead she ended up believing in the Book more-so than Crowley did at the time and she wanted to study it with him in depth and Invoke AIWASS, which they did much to Crowley's apprehension. If you want more in depth reading of what the message was and his state of mind at the time I would suggest reading Chapters 58-61 of Confessions as it explains all of this in detail.

Also, with the death of his daughter Lilith, and the downfall of Rose, can that be considered a 'fulfillment of prophesy' as contained within the pages of Liber AL?

I do think that this section of the Book means far more than that but yes, you would be correct in your assumption. Crowley himself did actually say, at one point, that Rose's alcoholism was due to her not keeping her office as his Scarlet Woman, as was mentioned in the old comment:

"The two latter verses [III 43-45.] have become useless, so far as regards the person first indicated to fill the office of "Scarlet Woman". In her case the prophecy of v. 43 has been most terribly fulfilled, to the letter; except the last paragraph. Perhaps before the publication of this comment the final catastrophe will have occurred. "

I am not sure about his daughter but after writing that Crowley wrote:

It or an even more terrible equivalent is now in progress. ( {?} in {?}, An VII.) (P.S. -- I sealed up the MSS of this comment and posted it to the printer on my way to the Golf Club at Hoylake. On my arrival at the Club, I found a letter awaiting me which stated that the catastrophe had occurred).

...it is a shame that the dates are blocked out or maybe we would be able to see if III: 45 literally corresponded with the death of his child or if something else was meant. In the new comment he seems to say otherwise. Saying that III 43-44 had not came to fruition and could not be talked about at the time of his comment until "time has furnished the perspective" and regarding III: 45, the mention of a child, he states "This 'child' is not necessarily to be identified with him who 'shall discover the key of it all.''

I hope this all cleared some stuff up for you.
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Re: Why did Crowley ignore the (2nd?) call of AIWASS

Postby Michael Staley » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:11 pm

Obviously we can't know why, though there are several factors which have been mentioned above, chief amongst them Crowley's ambivalence to The Book of the Law at the time. Nor was this an isolated occurrence of a return to Egypt being suggested. By Crowley's account, the Abuldiz Working terminated with an instruction for Crowley to go to the desert in search of an egg under a palm tree; unfortunately, the record of the Abuldiz Working is incomplete. However, the theme was picked up in the Amalantrah Working of 1918, Crowley being exhorted to go to Egypt. I recall reading Crowley saying somewhere or other that Amalantrah and Abuldiz contacted him in order to get him back on track; as such they can be regarded as masks of Aiwass.

In spite of successes, Crowley didn't really trust the Abuldiz and Amalantrah Workings, and the same goes for the Shanghai Working of 1906 with Elaine Simpson. In the record of the Amalantrah Working there are records where he is waxing very enthusiastically about the accuracy of everything Amalantrah is communicating, only to be followed by another session where he is very cynical about the worth of anything Amalantrah had to communicate, even going so far as to disrupt the session in his frustration..

He never did go back to Egypt. Gerald Yorke did say in correspondence with Jones in 1948 that Crowley did make plans to go to Egypt, but that these plans never came off.

Thus the only conclusion we can draw from all this is that, despite the reception of The Book of the Law being the major event of his life and work, for some reason or another he had an aversion to going back to the scene of the revelation. We can't, I'm afraid, know the reasons for this reluctance.
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