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Postby Ivanhoe » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:25 pm

How is Lucifer viewed in Thelema? I ask because I recently saw Ken Anger's "Lucifer Rising" on YouTube.
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Re: Lucifer

Postby Ivanhoe » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:37 am

As I understand the matter, Lucifer was the name given to a Roman deity. Given this individual's presence in Crowley's movie, I was curious as to whether this party was an officiant in the ritual, a Thelmic deity, or a symbol.
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Re: Lucifer

Postby Ivanhoe » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:44 am

I stand corrected: It wasn't a "Crowley movie," it was Ken Anger's "Lucifer Rising." Initially, I had the misconception that it was a Satanic ritual; on a third viewing, I perused the writing on the ritual floor and discerned these to be figures of Thelema.

What is the significance of Babylon to Thelema?
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Re: Lucifer

Postby Uni_Verse » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:47 am

Lucifer, to me, is the Sun.

The younger version of Jesus if you will ; a little full of himself and yet to mature.

Kind of like the Holy Guardian Angel before Knowledge and Conversation, where Jesus is the Angel once Knowledge and Conversation has been established.
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Re: Lucifer

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:26 am

Lucifer means "light bringer", also known as the "Morning Star". It is the planet Venus at dawn, bright in the sky, heralding the impending dawn.

A... Golden Dawn... if you will.
Also, "Morning Star" in Latin is "Stella Matutina", the name for the order based on the Golden Dawn that Israel Regardie belonged to...
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Re: Lucifer

Postby gmugmble » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:54 pm

Madame Blavatsky ran a magazine called Lucifer. She explained that it meant "light bringer," as Av said, but I think she really just called it that to (****) off Christians.
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Re: Lucifer

Postby bdc » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:26 am

lucifer is one of the "four great princes of evil in the world" in the abra-melin system, which was a major influence upon crowley. the four great princes are mentioned a few times in the vision and the voice, one of the most important texts regarding the ontology and pantheon of thelema.

there are some interesting thoughts in this post here on them.
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