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Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby AssortedNuts » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:59 am

Any help appreciated.

Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:

Nuit
Hadit
Abrahadabra
Babalon
Chaos
Therion
Baphomet
Aiwaz
Ra hoor khuit
Heru ra ha
solve
coagula
Agape
Thelema

or paths If that be the case.

and any others you may find relevant.

Thanking you in advance.
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby Skia » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:00 am

I think in the "Thelemic Tree of Life" that many of those attributions could be placed in multiple Sephira. I believe 776 1/2 marks them as such.

I don't think solve and coagula would be on it, though. From my understanding they're more of a development "process" than a single door, so to speak. Abrahadabra may be the same way, as it's the formula of the completion of the work, so I can see it as a formula of the entire journey as well as the path of cheth.
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby Uni_Verse » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:36 am

I have all ways viewed Nuit as representing 0, Hadit 1 and Ra-Hoor-Khuit as 10.

The big 'jump' from Hadit being one to Ra-Hoor-Khuit as 10 is the result of the latter being the union of Nuit and Hadit. ( Think : {0} U {1} = {1,0} )

Chaos: 2
Babylon: 3
Baphomet: 4 (?)
Therion: 5 (?)
Aiwaz: 6

As Skia stated, solve et coagula are processes and I do not believe they have a place on the Tree ( I could be wrong). A correlation of interest may be Solve as Thelema and Coagula as Agape.
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby AssortedNuts » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:40 pm

Thank you guys, confirming a few points for me, ayone else care to chime in?

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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby Tinman » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:43 pm

Gods, and just about everything else, have had a tendency throughout my studies, with me, to move from one place on the TOL to another. Just as soon as I nail them down, off they go.

RHK - seems like Tiphareth as my HGA stand in. No, now RHK seems like Kether as the meeting of Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur. No now RHK is Geburah - yes definitly Geburah. Nope now Crowley identifies him with Ra (Tiphareth), Hoor (Geburah) Khuit (Chesed) so he's the whole middle triangle.

Things like this happened a lot for me.

I used to see this as a negative. Now I see it as a positive.

Just sayin
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby Avshalom Binyamin » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:24 pm

Yeah... since the sephiroth are more-or-less "modes" of consciousness (a more microcosm-inclusive way of saying "categories of reality"), and since advanced beings like gods and well-developed humans are capable of multiple modes of consciousness, I would imagine it would be impossible to pin them down to one. At best, one could pinpoint an aspect of a deity or person that exemplifies a sephiroth.

In the list, the only correspondences I know are Babalon and Chaos to sephiroth 3 and 2 respectively.
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby FraterAnimiLiberare » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:45 am

AssortedNuts wrote:Any help appreciated.

Different authors on Crowley give me different placements, also Crowley himself seems to differ.

I have drawn out several trees with conflicting placements and was looking for a little help.

So basically I want to know on which Sephira/Sephiroth to place the following:


Abrahadabra
Babalon
Agape



These are formulas not entities (with the exception of Babalon), just so you are aware. However, unlike what some of the others have told you, formula's absolutely fall to specific places on the Tree of Life (as does everything). I believe others have probably given you Hadit, Therion, AIWAZ, etc so I will just cover the formula.

ABRAHADABRA is at 6, Tiphareth for fairly obvious reasons, and it also has a spot at the paths this formula is at 18 Qoph, The Way of the Scarab. (It should also be noted, just so there is no misunderstanding, that although "ABRAHADABRA" is a formula for a central, and extremely important piece of the work it is not the actual "completion of the work" as someone else mentioned, it is the "completion of the Great Work" which is the process of attaining Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel and learning and accomplishing one's True Will.)

BABALON, of course, corresponds to Binah, 3.

AGAPE belongs to Samekh (Path 14).

THELEMA is not clearly given in any texts as far as I know. This formula (θέλημα) corresponds to Chokma which shares with the other formula FIAOF (VIAOV, UIAOU, however you wish to spell it it is basically Crowley's version of IAO, reworked to add up to 93).

solve
coagula


This shouldn't be two separate words, it is "Solve et Coagula" an alchemic idea that roughly translates to "dissolve and coagulate".

Hope those can help.
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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby IAO131 » Wed May 02, 2012 3:30 pm

93,

Nuit: 0, specifically Ain Soph. Also, the whole Tree of Life insofar as she is Infinite.
Hadit: 0, specifically Ain. Also, Kether in a sense.
Abrahadabra: 6, insofar as it refers to union of microcosm and macrocosm. In this sense, it also refers to 1 in a higher sense.
Babalon: 3, as the Holy Mother.
Chaos: 2, as the Holy Father.
Therion: 2, as the consort of Babalon. The path of Leo insofar as it is combined with Babalon (i.e. Therion-Babalon).
Baphomet: 6 as the child of Babalon and Chaos/Therion; 1 as the Two-in-One that transcends dualities.
Aiwaz: 6 as the Holy Guardian Angel. The High Priestess path as that which connects the Supernals to the rest of the Tree, i.e. as the Messenger. Also 2 insofar as 2 is the essence of the Word.
Ra hoor khuit: 1 as Horus who is God of this Aeon - Crowley calls the Tree of Life RHK's "Anatomy" i.e. the body of God and the complement to HPK who is 0 in a sense (Atu 0). Also 6 as the Holy Guardian Angel and the Sun. 5 in his martial aspect. 4 + 5 + 6 as the descending red triangle. Also Atu XV as the complement to Atu 0 (i.e. Horus come to full growth, achieving the Solar-Phallic wand/lance).
Heru ra ha: 1 as Horus who is Two-in-One. Also 6 as the Sun. Atu XIX as the Sun and Atu VI as the Twins (Heru-Ra-Ha = RHK + HPK)
Solve: 3 insofar as it represents the process of crossing the Abyss. Going up the Tree in general; The path of the Chariot which crosses the Abyss is particularly relevant. 2 becoming 0 in the ontology of the New Aeon.
Coagula: Going down the Tree, 10 as Malkuth is the consolidation or final step of this process. The jump from 3 to 4 insofar as it represents the unity of the Supernals entering multiplicity. 0 becoming 2 in the ontology of the New Aeon.
Agape: The path connecting 2 and 3 insofar as it is Daleth/Venus/Love. It encompasses the Tree of Life in another sense (in the same way the glyph of Venus encompasses all the Sephiroth on the Tree). 3 as the complement to 2. It is the path of Samekh insofar as it refers on the lower level to K&C of HGA but also applies to the formula of Crossing the Abyss (i.e. death as an act of love and vice versa).
Thelema: 2 insofar as it is the Chiah or Life-force also with Agape as 3 as its complement. Also encompasses the whole Tree of Life in that it is the Law governing all things.

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Re: Chaos, Babalon, Therion etc placement on the Tree of Life.

Postby AssortedNuts » Mon May 07, 2012 6:29 am

Thank you very much.
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