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"Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby DeoAdjuvante » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:13 pm

Greetings All,

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In your opinions, what are the fundamental differences between aspirants of the Aeon of Osiris and those seeking initiation in that of Horus?

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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:14 pm

DeoAdjuvante wrote:In your opinions, what are the fundamental differences between aspirants of the Aeon of Osiris and those seeking initiation in that of Horus?

Well, the former were born earlier. :twisted:

But I bet you're looking for something a little deeper than that...
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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby DeoAdjuvante » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:47 pm

Well, the former were born earlier. :twisted:


Well, that certainly is a fundamental difference! :lol: or is it? :shock:

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"Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby DeoAdjuvante » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:40 pm

Welcome Mister13,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

This shift in Aeons is nothing new to religion in general.

I was trying to frame my question in terms of an individual initiatory experience as opposed to a general religious experience. But I suppose we should discuss the difference. I'm going to start this in a new thread.


Osiris is the slain deity, Horus the newly risen.

According to the myth, Osiris was slain, found by Isis, hacked into bits, had his phallus eaten by a fish(hmmm....), then was put back together and a new phallus fashioned for him, Isis then conceived Horus from his body.

On the Tree of Life I believe Osiris occupies Tiphareth

The story of Osiris as an initiatory allegory could pertain to various sephiroth at different stages. 777 lists the practical attribution to malkuth.


My question is when will Thelema catch on as a religion?

I'm going to transfer this question to the Thelema forum.

Here's the original question:
In your opinions, what are the fundamental differences between aspirants of the Aeon of Osiris and those seeking initiation in that of Horus?


I should probably frame this even more by saying that I am referring to the Procession of Aeons as those of Isis(Where the mysteries were about the forces of nature)Osiris(Where they are concerned with death and re-birth) and Horus(The mysteries of the crowned and conquering child, made official in 1904).
I'm mostly trying to get a better understanding of what it is that leads( :) ) essentially worthless lumps of lead to contemplation of their own divinity during our present Aeon and the most recent past Aeon.
I have my own theory which is bound up in the switch of Tzaddi from The Star to The Emperor. But I don't want to bias anyone else. Of course I probably just did... Damn! :oops:

Well... at least the ball is rolling. Anyone else got any Theories?

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Postby sesheta156 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:45 pm

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reading and re-reading the 125th chapter of the egyptian book of the dead (or "the book of coming forth by day") REALLY illuminated my understanding of the osiris/horus juxtaposition.

it just wouldn't be fair for me to lay it all out... but instead, i would encourage you to pick up a copy and read it for yourself.

then sit with a copy of the Old Aeon card: Judgement - and consider.

then sit with a copy of the New Aeon card: Aeon - and consider.

a supreme invocation of horus might also be in order.

that, for me, answered the ? pretty well.
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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:40 pm

DeoAdjuvante wrote:In your opinions, what are the fundamental differences between aspirants of the Aeon of Osiris and those seeking initiation in that of Horus?

I've intentionally stayed out of this thread to see how it would evolve. Now that it is starting to take on its own direction, I'll have a few remarks based on the directions it is going.

For the above question - and seeing your remarks on it lower down the thread - the main thing that comes to mind is: All initiation cycles, like all life cycles, recapitulate the whole developmental cycle leading to that point. In the Osiris Aeon, the developmental cycles were really just the contrast of moving from Isis consciousness to Osiris consciousness. In the Aeon of Horus, the initiation cycles that have evolved recapitulate the entire series of Isis-Osiris-Horus.

(I can get away - quite unfairly, I'm sure! - with saying here that this whole recapitulation is dramatized in the 4° ritual of Temple of Thelema. Crowley remarked that this three-aeon recapitulation was intended in his rewrite of the V° ritual of O.T.O.)
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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:51 pm

DeoAdjuvante wrote:According to the myth, Osiris was slain, found by Isis, hacked into bits, had his phallus eaten by a fish(hmmm....), then was put back together and a new phallus fashioned for him, Isis then conceived Horus from his body.

I've never seen a version where a new phallus was fashioned. The classical story is that the phallus was the last piece missing. When she found that, she was able to temporarily resurrect him for the miracle of conception. (This is reenacted magically in several of our rituals.)

On the Tree of Life I believe Osiris occupies Tiphareth

The story of Osiris as an initiatory allegory could pertain to various sephiroth at different stages. 777 lists the practical attribution to malkuth.

That attribution primarily refers to Asar un-Nefer, and his role in the A.'.A.'. 1=10 initiation.

I agree that - especially in the Slain God systems - Osiris-Christ (Asar & Isa) are attributed to Tiphereth. I also agree that, if a whole Osiris-cycle is intended, several parts of the Tree are crossed in getting there. The Tree of Life below (and culminating in) Tiphereth forms the 6-squared cross, and (in the present Aeon) the Formula of Osiris is working the outer grades of the elements and fulfilling that "stage of the Cross" before a transition to the Second Order - which converts the Cross into the Pentgram.

Maybe that's part of where you were leading in your focus on Malkuth.

I'm mostly trying to get a better understanding of what it is that leads( :) ) essentially worthless lumps of lead to contemplation of their own divinity during our present Aeon and the most recent past Aeon.

You know enough about projection not to be surprised if I turn this around - and suggest that you are trying to find your own motivation. My answer probably won't be very pleasing to you, then, since I would mostly recommend that you have to find it within yourself. You know what is leading you on.

I think that the End that has led people inward hasn't changed from Aeon to Aeon - only how the psyche frames and labels it have changed (and things secondary to that, such as how to follow through).

I have my own theory which is bound up in the switch of Tzaddi from The Star to The Emperor. But I don't want to bias anyone else. Of course I probably just did... Damn! :oops:

I don't think there was a change. I think Tzaddi was always The Emperor, so that discussions are on the wrong foot suggesting one Tree of Life used to be valid and another is now valid. The old Tzaddi attribution was simply an error IMO. The Zohar already had told us around 1300 that there was a big piece of the puzzle that we didn't understand concerning the letters, and that the puzzle was in Tzaddi - and intentionally withheld.
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"stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby DeoAdjuvante » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:17 pm

I've never seen a version where a new phallus was fashioned.
I shows up in a number of different tellings(Plutarch, Diodorus, Engraved on certain stele in parisian museums) sometimes its said to be of wood or clay or gold. Diodorus seems to make the biggest claim to its importance as he portrays the fashioned image of Osiris's phallus to be the origin of the words "Phallos" and connected with the orgies and festivals of Dionysus in Greece.


You know enough about projection not to be surprised if I turn this around - and suggest that you are trying to find your own motivation. My answer probably won't be very pleasing to you, then, since I would mostly recommend that you have to find it within yourself. You know what is leading you on.

Why... does the truth... always... burn.... :)


I think that the End that has led people inward hasn't changed from Aeon to Aeon - only how the psyche frames and labels it have changed (and things secondary to that, such as how to follow through).
Ahhh.... The follow through... That's definitely what I'm being tested on in this incarnation. Now where was that sacred lance of mine? oh... right up here... :D

The Zohar already had told us around 1300 that there was a big piece of the puzzle that we didn't understand concerning the letters, and that the puzzle was in Tzaddi - and intentionally withheld
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How "Righteous" of them! :twisted:

As always, thank you for your insightful answers! :D

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On initiation, maybe?

Postby zain » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:34 pm

Do what thou wilt...

My life has been transforming of late, through some of the hardest and darkest times in my life. In some ways I think I was lucky to survive, but I've come to realise that I've often been protected and just WAY too lucky to make any sense. That's because I set myself on a path from which there is no real escape when I was but a youth and hungry for real knowledge. I was blessed with a legendary mother of extraordinary courage who let me have free access to all information. So when I was very young I stumbled across the Review of Scientific Illuminism... this of course led me to my real resource, the Book of the Law. I never really had a loving father so had to be my own, perhaps this is why I've been so undisciplined, but in retrospect I doubt that really, having not done most common mistakes males in our society make! I'm proud of the man I've raised myself to be and I have only the blessing that comes from giving one's self to *Her* service to thank for it. The time of male patriarchy is in rapid decline and the jealous weak ones are flattering their weaknesses in grand fashion these days. Self-importance sells well, but the real cost is too high to think of. I suppose this has been my aversion to "official" orders such as the OTO et al, because they reek of that patriarchal dogma that is dying as we speak. I gave it a go but was disheartened by sexism in the outer order discouraged by some good people I saw driven away by pompous wankers. Perhaps the time is coming when I will work more from "within" so to speak to encourage my siblings to seek *Her* light and get over this male-solar-phallic worship that seems so commonplace. Perhaps my views were jaded? I dare say there are many who would agree with me. It only took me 25 years of study of just one holy book for it to really start coming into focus for me, and this is without such distractions as Kabbalah and fancy titles and ceremonies, etc. "But to love me is better than all things." just speaks too loudly to ignore, don't you think? I think a higher aim than revelling in what I would view as obscurantism and mystery-mongering would be to place this within reach of the common person, instead of driving them away thanks in part to dogma that is fading so rapidly it makes my head and heart spin. People are tired of the old "hard sell" of a dying male patriarchy so those old models aren't going to work, it's time to seduce and encourage, nurture and heal our sick and wounded. This includes everyone with a bright heart, not just the Intellectual elite. There is no initiation for this either, that must come from within, as ever, but we can inspire! Never in my life has my path and work been so clear and the joy in my heart so bright. This is our reward. So again I ask my siblings, what do you SEEK? I think a true initiation lies not in the domination of the phallus, but surrender of the yoni. (And surrender TO the ultimate one... Yes even in the hearts of sexist boys like me.) My understanding is as yet imperfect but we are all trying, are we not? There is no number for this. Encoding it only takes it away from the common folk and hoards it for the "elite" which we are no longer now that the aeon is upon us. Forgive my dissention but it seems our holy truths are somewhat trying to follow the model of old ways when new ones are clearly needed to help the ALL that the Law is for to actually begin to realise and LIVE it with freedom and joy.

Light, life, love and liberty? Four gates? One palace? Powers of what? "The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake." we can put this in everyone's reach by our true arts. Isn't that our job once we're "in the know"? Maybe it's part of mine... at any rate, we ARE all different anyway. :-) We don't have to know well one another to encourage and support and bring our efforts together on the Earth in concert. Hmmmm concert? I could use a good concert...

Forgive me if I'm preaching to the converted or the wrong mob here, it's the closest I could get to any actual online community for Thelema (yet) and is just the $0.02 worth of a friendly-neighbourhood lunatic.
(possibly to be continued)

With love in the service of...

And thanks to Jim for shining a little light from within the howling "snake pit" *laugh* sorry it's an inside joke. ICMU feel free to join me or just point and laugh...
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Re: Aeon differences

Postby gerry456 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:19 pm

[quote="mister13"]DWTWSBtWotL

My question is when will Thelema catch on as a religion? Ultimately that's what is desired in order for it to survive. So far it appears the CoS is beating Thelema in the race to religious status. Them and there team of lawyers replete with information booths at Tom Cruise movie sets.

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yes interesting considering LRHubbard's role in the manifestation of The Babalon text
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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Gideon Jagged » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:48 am

gerry456 wrote:...when will Thelema catch on as a religion?


Wrong question. We're not in competition with anybody. Start thinking that way and before long you're condemning opposing views as heretical (think Pope Benny and his condemnation of the Gospel of Judas yesterday) in an attempt to win converts from other faiths.

Remember: "Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known." AL I, 10

We're never meant to be a populous (or popular) religion. Let Tom Cruise and CoS have their fun--only that part of Scientology that deserves to survive will survive. 8)

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Postby redd fezz » Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:51 am

The Self-Clearing Manual put out by the Pilot seems sane enough. I think it's kind of cool that someone is basically pulling the rug out from under Scientology. The Pilot is saying, "You want to learn what it's all about, but are afraid of wasting your money and getting brainwashed? Well, here's the sensible part of Scientology-- for FREE!"
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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:38 am

tarot wrote:We're not in competition with anybody.

No... but unless we are totally deluding ourselves, we're aligned with an evolutionary step that is in competition (in the Darwinian sense).

Which makes the challenge of tolerance all the more interesting. :)

(think Pope Benny and his condemnation of the Gospel of Judas yesterday) in an attempt to win converts from other faiths.

I don't remember - did I go public with my official letter to Pope Benedict on the day of his enthronement?

We're never meant to be a populous (or popular) religion.

I disagree - except that we could debate for centuries on the word "religion" and how to use it etc. If Thelema is to fulfill its promise, it will completely replace prior religions - except that many of the forms it takes won't necessarily resemble what is presently in any of our heads; but they'lll be Thelemic. Additionally, there iwll always be the need for pockets of religions themed to prior Aeons for those who individually haven't reached the personal evolution of the baseline of their day. And, of course, there will always be the need for the gadflies buzzing around the eventual Thelemic orthodoxies to keep it from getting too entrenched. :P
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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Gideon Jagged » Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:58 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:I don't remember - did I go public with my official letter to Pope Benedict on the day of his enthronement?


No. Please do so. I'd love to read it. :twisted:

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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Gideon Jagged » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:16 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:I disagree - except that we could debate for centuries on the word "religion" and how to use it etc. If Thelema is to fulfill its promise, it will completely replace prior religions - except that many of the forms it takes won't necessarily resemble what is presently in any of our heads; but they'lll be Thelemic. Additionally, there iwll always be the need for pockets of religions themed to prior Aeons for those who individually haven't reached the personal evolution of the baseline of their day. And, of course, there will always be the need for the gadflies buzzing around the eventual Thelemic orthodoxies to keep it from getting too entrenched. :P


I meant religion in the rather restricted sense as that embodied by the Mystery Schools which, come to think of it, have rarely enjoyed anything like wide-spread acceptance. Perhaps the Thelemic version of Christianity? What did Crowley call it? Crowleyanity? :lol:
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Crowleyanity?

Postby Chris Hanlon » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:21 pm

Crowleyanity?
That's good. There'll be arguments about what Thelema is and who is a true Thelemite. The identity of Christ has never become more fragmented than when you study the gnostic texts.
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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:11 pm

tarot wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:I don't remember - did I go public with my official letter to Pope Benedict on the day of his enthronement?

No. Please do so. I'd love to read it. :twisted:


Here it is:

From: James A. Eshelman
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:27 PM
To: [his private email address]
Subject: Congratulations and best wishes

Your Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

On this occasion of your inaugural mass, please accept our best wishes and blessing. May you flourish in your Calling.

As you reach forth to embrace communion with those of other faiths and other spiritual paths, so do our hands reach to meet yours for our shared goals.

As expected, those pursing differing spiritual paths will not agree on all things. We would disagree with you, for example, on the issue of moral absolutism. It is our teaching that true morality is founded upon the God-graced conscience living within each soul, with which each must strive to be in communion.

But we share with you common goals on many fundamental things. We wish and work for a more spiritual life for all, increased personal moral responsibility, and peace among nations in the realization of God's love.

Benedictio, Benedicto.

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Re: Aeon differences

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:13 pm

tarot wrote:Perhaps the Thelemic version of Christianity?

I have said for decades that if Christianity would set aside its emphasis on the crucifixion formula - the slain-god archetype - and focus steadily on the newborn Christ-child as a symbol of love and renewed light in a recurring dawn, then Christianity wouild buy itself another couple of thousand years.

Because, of course, it then would be Thelemic.
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Postby Draco Magnus » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:53 pm

93.

Thanks for sharing your letter Jim.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if the RCC had a revolution within and they came to accept The Book of the Law?

We could all be elevated to Prelates or some such. I stake my claim on all of Canada. Any challengers? :twisted:

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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby Heru » Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:57 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:I don't think there was a change. I think Tzaddi was always The Emperor, so that discussions are on the wrong foot suggesting one Tree of Life used to be valid and another is now valid. The old Tzaddi attribution was simply an error IMO. The Zohar already had told us around 1300 that there was a big piece of the puzzle that we didn't understand concerning the letters, and that the puzzle was in Tzaddi - and intentionally withheld.

I've been looking around for a direct reference to this puzzle of Tzaddi in the Zohar, but so far I've come up empty. Can it be found anywhere in Mather's "The Kabbalah Unveiled" ? I've been searching through that text, but have yet to find anything about intentionally withheld information.
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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:30 am

Heru wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:I don't think there was a change. I think Tzaddi was always The Emperor, so that discussions are on the wrong foot suggesting one Tree of Life used to be valid and another is now valid. The old Tzaddi attribution was simply an error IMO. The Zohar already had told us around 1300 that there was a big piece of the puzzle that we didn't understand concerning the letters, and that the puzzle was in Tzaddi - and intentionally withheld.

I've been looking around for a direct reference to this puzzle of Tzaddi in the Zohar, but so far I've come up empty. Can it be found anywhere in Mather's "The Kabbalah Unveiled" ? I've been searching through that text, but have yet to find anything about intentionally withheld information.

The Kabbalah Unveiled is by no means the whole Zohar (and - I'm trying to remember without going to look it up - some of the books may not, in fact, really be part of the Zohar).

The part I mentioned above is the story of how Beth got to be the first letter of creation and Aleph the first letter of the alphabet.

In my Introduction to 776 1/2, I wrote:

...Qabalistic teachings have stated for centuries that the attributions of Tzaddi have been wrongly understood. This idea did not originate in 1904 E.V. One is reminded especially of the charming allegory in the Sepher ha-Zohar, attributed to Rabbi Chananya, explaining why Aleph is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, yet "God" (that is, Elohim) commenced creation with the letter Beth (the first letter of Berashith, the first word of the Hebrew original of The Book of Genesis). This story can be read in many translations and reproductions; but its gist is that each of the letters (beginning with Tav) processed by God's throne one-by-one, each asking to be the letter wherewith Creation was commenced. Each argued its case; but the Lord had a good reason to skip past each of them, until Beth eventually won the honor by being the initial letter of berakha, "blessing." Since shy little Aleph hadn't yet gotten a chance to be heard, it was awarded a special place in the scheme of things; but that would digress us further from the main point of the present digression, which is this: The letter Tzaddi sought to be that force whereby the world was created because it is the initial of Tzedekim, "the righteous," and because it is written, "The righteous Lord loveth righteousness." In rejecting Tzaddi for this particular honor, God is quoted as saying:

Tzaddi, Tzaddi, thou art truly righteous, but thou must keep thyself concealed, and thy occult meaning must not be made known or become revealed, and therefore thou must not be used in the creation of the world.

The true "occult [that is, hidden] meaning" of this letter was not then to be disclosed! Even at such an early date, it was thus recorded in the primary foundation literature of the Qabalah that the true significance of Tzaddi was not what it was suspected to be.
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Re: "Stepping" into the new Aeon

Postby FrAAAAAM » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:53 am

Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.

Hello,

I'm trying to remember without going to look it up - some of the books may not, in fact, really be part of the Zohar).

The part I mentioned above is the story of how Beth got to be the first letter of creation and Aleph the first letter of the alphabet.

This story is in the Prologue to the Zohar. Volume 1, Page 10 in the Old Soncino Press Edition.

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About thelema as the new religion

Postby YHVH » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:16 pm

About Thelema "taking over" in the religions' stardom:
Voicing an opinion very cognate to Jim's and others', I don't think that some day the "popular religion" will be Thelema.

Actually, most of people today are unconsciously (pro-)Thelemites: The % of "passive atheists/agnosticists" and, more importantly, "the faithful" with an extremely bleached faith (of the "yes, I'm a christian/muslim" mechanically answering type) seems to be MUCH bigger than the religious and/or pietistic people of the official Chr/Muslim faiths (as a sidenote, after some research it seems that core orthodox (eastern) christianity is fundamentally painfully identical with Thelema). All over-simplistic heresies (such as Jehova's witnesses etc) seem to be peoples' childish (pun intended) pro-thelemic dabbling, however not willing to lead to a -dogmatic- (apo pantos kakodaimonos!) ideological (be THAT damned for a dog) "conversion" (convert not!) to Thelema... thank god! let's see...
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Postby Rev.D » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:51 pm

I personally think that Thelema will grow, rather than suddenly arise as a religion out of the briney, such is seen in other beliefs around the globe - they often take time to develop, and along with that development many trains of thinking and interpretation.

As such you will most likely end up with various sects as prophet after prophet rises. Different groups within society will be drawn to whichever prophet speaks on their level.

So you will have Thelemites who are largely a development of Christianty, yet you may also have groups who are more Pagan based in their interpretations etc etc.

The Law is for all, after all ;)

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