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Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby gerry456 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:04 pm

Hi,
How do these three paths Mem, Ayin and Nun generally impact on the magician who is approaching Tipareth gradewise?
2.19 They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.

2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:41 pm

gerry456 wrote:How do these three paths Mem, Ayin and Nun generally impact on the magician who is approaching Tipareth gradewise?

Are you speaking of the A.'.A.'. scale?

Meym has no particular impact in the approach to Tifereth. It's part of the process of opening past Tifereth toward G'boorah.

A'ayin and Noon are... well, there's a LOT to say about this. Some of the deepest, most complex, most personal arcana are wrapped up in the confronting, embracing, and transcending of these paths. In a sense, they are the primary content of the initiation into Tifereth (in contrast to Samekh being the essence of the process.)

Partly, they seem so mysterious - easy to identify, hard to anticipate - because one can't fully pass them until one has already attained to Tifereth. That is, one cannot reach Tifereth from Hod or Netzach. Neither intellect nor desire gain one access to that particular sanctum; yet, one has to struggle with it. The real completion of these Paths only comes after one is awakened to B'riyah, i.e., one's Gnana Yoga and Bhakti Yoga cease being rooted in the multiplicity and dividuality of Y'tziyrah; and this generally isn't fulfilled until at least very late in Dominus Liminis.

Your question, by the way, presumes that there is a standard answer, that "the magician" is a generalization. What one has to confront and move through and past in these Paths is intensely individual, and generalizations lose most of the magick. The gist of it, though, is that A'ayin is, at first, how Tifereth seems to one who is operating from Hod - it's what immortal truth looks like to the intellect, which frankly isn't capable of handling the truth. And the course of the Path is then the process whereby the intellect opens itself to that level of distinguished self which is solar and Briatic. Similarly, Noon is, at first, how Tifereth seems to one who is operating from Netzach - it's what immortal truth looks like to human desire; and the course of the Path is then the process whereby ourselves-as-desire opens itself to the solar-Briatic.

The integrating factor to remember in all of this is that (in the A.'.A.'. scale of things) Dominus Liminis marks the abiding on the threshold between Y'tziyratic and B'riyatic consciousness. In Hod and Netzach one is particularly finishing the equilibration of the Y'tziyratic aspect of oneself, and, especially, building bridges between Y'tziyrah and B'riyah. While these Paths touch both Hod and Netzach, it is especially in the Netzach grade that (in the A.'.A.'. system) one undertakes (and passes examination in) specific practices involving A'ayin, Samekh, and Noon.

PS - As I started to answer, I kept thinking (erroneously) that you were asking about Meym, A'ayin, and Peh. That's an interesting set (and Peh, or course, has something in common with Noon, since Scorpio is one expression of Mars). The answer I would have given for those three is that they don't have much to do with the approach to Tifereth per se but are, in particular, the shadow aspect of what the Practicus in Hod confronts. That is, they are three Paths that Hod touches, but which (except Peh in a limited sense) are not yet open. So they are forces very proximate to the aspirant's current state, but over which there is yet no control or understanding (hence my characterizing them as shadow).
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby gerry456 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:53 pm

Scorpio is martial? How so? Are certain zodiacal factors atttributed to particular planets?
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Takamba » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:54 pm

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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Mars is the planet that rules Scorpio. It also rules Aries and us exalted in Capricorn. These are the three primary expressions of Mars in the zodiac.

PS These are the basics, the things one learns (for example) on page 1 of the first GD knowledge lecture of the entry level grade. I encourage you to commit turn to memiry.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby gerry456 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:20 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:Mars is the planet that rules Scorpio. It also rules Aries and us exalted in Capricorn. These are the three primary expressions of Mars in the zodiac.

PS These are the basics, the things one learns (for example) on page 1 of the first GD knowledge lecture of the entry level grade. I encourage you to commit turn to memiry.


Here is the lecture;

http://osogd.org/education/the-first-or ... e-lecture/

No I can't see that here Jim. Anyway I understand this is basic astrology ie

http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtp64_e.htm ; Planets in Exaltation, Detriment and Fall


\i know nothing of astrology in terms of astronomical facts. Are you saying that the planets rule certain zodiacal segments because of their (the planets) course through those zodiacal segments in the night sky as it were? Does this have anything to do with real science?

Also are Nun, Ayin, Tzaddi and Peh martial? Peh is attributed to the planet Mars and Nun scorpio is ruled by Mars and Tzaddi is ruled by Aries which is ruled by mars but Ayin is not ruled by Mars. I've heard that Ayin is martial because Mars is exalted in Capricorn. Is that correct? If that's the case then Lamed (Libra) is Saturnalian (even though it's ruled by Venus) as Saturn is exalted in Libra. Likewise Cheth is Jupiterean even though Cancer is of the Moon. Also , Taurus (Vav) is ruled by Venus but has the Moon exalted ...so on. Various paths have two or three planetary influences.
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:49 am

gerry456 wrote:i know nothing of astrology in terms of astronomical facts. Are you saying that the planets rule certain zodiacal segments because of their (the planets) course through those zodiacal segments in the night sky as it were? Does this have anything to do with real science?

Planets rule certain signs because the nature of the planet and the nature of the sign are similar (or nearly identical).

Also are Nun, Ayin, Tzaddi and Peh martial?

Yes, Scorpio, Capricorn, Aries, and Mars are martial.

If that's the case then Lamed (Libra) is Saturnalian (even though it's ruled by Venus) as Saturn is exalted in Libra.

Yes, the rulerships and exaltations are simply two different schemes that each identify planets whose natures are substantially the same as the signs. Libra is very much Venus + Saturn.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby gerry456 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:50 pm

Libra is very much Venus + Saturn? Thanks but I'd say the function of Lamed is martial ie severity/adjustment. I don't see how it relates to Venus or Saturn.
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Starry Soul » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:19 pm

gerry456 wrote:Libra is very much Venus + Saturn? Thanks but I'd say the function of Lamed is martial ie severity/adjustment. I don't see how it relates to Venus or Saturn.

Being questioning is good, but sometimes the best way to learn is with time and persistent study. Direct answers to non-practical things can detract the value of certain personal, spontaneous discoveries. The best thing is to accept the attributions as given and roll with them. With time (not even that much time) it'll all make (at least some) sense.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Takamba » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:54 pm

gerry456 wrote:Libra is very much Venus + Saturn? Thanks but I'd say the function of Lamed is martial ie severity/adjustment. I don't see how it relates to Venus or Saturn.


Think you not that Chronos eating his babies is not severity? Think you not that Solomon recommending the cutting in half the baby weren't just?
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Hermitas » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:17 pm

Takamba wrote:
gerry456 wrote:Libra is very much Venus + Saturn? Thanks but I'd say the function of Lamed is martial ie severity/adjustment. I don't see how it relates to Venus or Saturn.


Think you not that Chronos eating his babies is not severity? Think you not that Solomon recommending the cutting in half the baby weren't just?


Justice is a severe (Saturnine) form of love (Venus). The "goad" of Lamed keeps the Ox between the ditches.
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Re: Mem, Ayin and Nun

Postby Takamba » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:31 pm

Sardonyx wrote:Justice is a severe (Saturnine) form of love (Venus). The "goad" of Lamed keeps the Ox between the ditches.


Starry Soul wrote:sometimes the best way to learn is with time and persistent study. Direct answers to non-practical things can detract the value of certain personal, spontaneous discoveries.


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