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Starry Soul wrote:For the longest time I had this idea of the Exempt Adept as being at that threshold. It had never occured to me to just ask. Thanks!
Jim Eshelman wrote:I think a lot of people tend to think of the "annihilation" of "crossing the Abyss" as the full dissolution of a being - as if it were the culmination of the Eight High Trances. In fact, it's more like the beginning of the Eight High Trances. It's a disentangling of the jumbled threads of "tendencies" to dissipate the illusion of any sense of self and life that existed before, the release of ego identification with any Ruach, Nefesh, or physical (Goof) aspects and the projection structures attached to them... etc. etc. etc.... yet there is still a star in the motion of Will and the condition of Love.
Generally this is expressed as the cessation of all that one is, and I think this is completely true in any sense people would understand that language. One certainly has to be willing for it to be true to navigate the experience.
Starry Soul wrote:Trivia question: So the reincarnated 8=3 can't become a Black Brother, can he?
Frater INRI wrote:Once 8=3 has been really attained, there is no need to revisit previous stages of development.
Jim Eshelman wrote:Every incarnation, no matter what level one has previously attained, one starts all over. "Revisiting previous stages" is exactly what one does. (However, the steps go faster, since it's a recap.)
Remember, there are a new body, a new Nefesh, and a new Rooach to train.
Jim Eshelman wrote:Practices in other systems that would bring one to the threshold of choosing whether or not to reincarnate are consistent, in A.'.A.'. terms, with the attaining Ipsissimus. That's not the only characteristic of that part of the Path (and not directly even a basic part of it); but that's the stage parallel the same choice-attainment in other traditions.
sk4p wrote:Consider also the A∴A∴ rule about not attaining to a higher grade without preparing one's student to advance as well (the bodhisattva vow, in essence).
sk4p wrote:Heh. Idle thought, then, I guess. (I hadn't previously considered that "One" being capitalized in that verse might mean something subtle ...)
gerry456 wrote:What would we reincarnate as if we have experienced jhana one?
Jim Eshelman wrote:But, actually, it doesn't matter if they are, because the answer is the same in either case: The matter of reincarnation is utterly individual. There's not a manual in the sense of vacation spot brochures.
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