Jim Eshelman wrote:incarnations specifically meant for gaining particular experiences from operating at a level far less than one did previously
You mean operating at lower level for an unusualy long time, or like for a whole incarnation?!
I meant like a whole incarnation. Lots of variations of this.
Also how could it be useful for instance to get a not "long living" body, like Bardon for instance, who died rather young, preventing him from writing further books.
There are so many things possible. One's character may need balancing with a confrontation of limits. Or one might come with a specific mission or agenda, and have things structured to make sure one didn't exceed that. Or one might have an intersection with another point in time for a next incarnation (with its particular circumstances, horoscope, companions, and more), which provides a deadline for when one exits. There also are historic records of people who simply have lived too long, in the sense that, had they died a few years earlier, they would have had a better reputation, their lives would have stood for something heroic or uplifting, and then something happened later in life that had them go down in history negatively - one might say that they would have benefitted from living fewer years.
I dont seem to understand how if one has high level, it could be be useful to go through physical ordeals, like ilnesses, short life, war, and so on.
To discover the purpose of something, witness its consequences. (In a perfect universe, which I think we mostly have, the purpose of a thing is always the same as its consequences.) What do these things do to the character? The answer, of course, is different for different people, and can include things like: Teach limits, embed humility and perspective, toughen and strengthen, give insight into these various circumstances. (This is a very narrow, off the cuff list. To expand it, ask yourself how these circumstances actually
change people.) And, of course, many people are propelled into accelerated spiritual pursuits as a consequence of these exact things.
And also that "operating at lower level" thing. I mean, if one has high level, isnt one supposed to have mastered such(and related) things a long time before already? Maybe its a never ending refinement of all things in all directions(including the most "gross") and it is rather normal actually?!
It could be that there are gaps, or small things that could have been "shored up," or re-equilibrations. Some lessons natural to Point X can't actually be learned by some people until they reach Point X+7 (to make up a language that I think will communicate). Crowley's diary of past lives is a striking example: By the Middle Ages he had worked himself up to Adeptus Major, and then, having reached that point, abused his power ferociously (and IIRC it was connected to having overly hurried his time as a Minor Adept). In his next life, he took a frail, sickly body that had no physical power in the world, and was compelled (by circumstances his soul conspired to create, of course, not by some outside force) to live a life of passive mysticism and saturate himself in his experience of the HGA in a purely mystical way. After this, in a subsequent lifetime, he fairly quickly attained to 6=5 again.
To give an example from my upbringing: I grew up poor, and in some harsh circumstances. However, I never actually registered that I was poor - I had no perspective on that sort of thing. It only really got clear as an adult. Along with this, though, I always had attitudes that (looking at it from this point in life) I can only call royal or aristocratic - I always seem to have been coming from a place that makes no sense unless I were royalty, and I certainly had nothing in my environment to foster this idea. (There were, of course, the usual movies / TV / books showing such lives, but I would think their effect, if any, would have been to create envy etc., whereas the traits I'm speaking about always came naturally, unthinkingly, so obvious that they barely got any conscious attention ever.) - Now, consider how my character would have been different if I had actually grown up in a socially and financially privileged family. It seems to me that I would have been warped in ways that would have taken a great deal of time to overcome and, really, I didn't have a lot of time to waste this time around (remember, I was being published at age 16).
Where did this come from? The memories I have of prior lives have a few that were relatively wealthy, but nothing extreme, nothing explicitly aristocratic in the formal sense. I was quite high ranking in my field on occasion, and certainly had many occasions to register myself as a spiritual aristocrat, which is most of what I think was operating. (Many early clues attach me to Jupiter-Chesed ideas, e.g., from a very early age I was certain that blue was the most perfect color and 4 was the most perfect number, and I had no particular reason for it. It's interesting, since in my last lifetime either 7=4 was my highest grade reached or, at least, the one with which I most identified.) I was sufficiently well-off in my last life from a good career. In the life before that, I was in a situation where I was kept in luxury and power for my whole adult life because of my career. Before that, there is a confusing period of images and fragments including both extreme removed-from-the-world isolation and being a regular in European courts (again because of my career, this time as a music teacher). About a 150 years (guessing) intervenes with brief fragments, always of someone of no particular presence or ability, seeming weak, often female, seeming always to be hiding - and, in fact, I think I was
hiding because of something quite painful that had happened to me soon before (that's a long story on its own; but it was a life in which I had a disproportionately higher part of worldly wealth due to patronage, was gigantically visible and creative and challenging to the world, and paid painfully for it; this seems to have started a karmic period of hiding that I had to work my way through over quite a long time, with fits and starts, and probably have only emerged from fully in my present life). Before that, few clear memories for about three centuries, at which point I have no idea exactly how much money I had, but I was a local religious and community leader, seemed to have everything I needed to raise a somewhat sizable family, etc.
Anyway, I babbled about this to show that it's a path, just as going through a single incarnation is a path.