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Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby gerry456 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:02 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T96_AOYwiss

Jim, circa 30 minutes into your youtube lecture you discuss the step to Briatic consciousness which, to be blunt, is awareness of our passive- observer of thoughts. This is achievable without the Crowleyan asanas ...... or is it? That is, we could just sit still, relax and disidentify with the consciousness that attaches to physical sensations....feelings.............desires..............preferences.............memories...opinions...........reverie............thoughts..........
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:26 am

Since you narrowed your question to "the Crowleyan asanas" then sure, yes, there's nothing special about them. They're just examples. The one task on this in the A.'.A.'. testing is that you choose an asana and, for an hour, "chosen posture shall be perfectly steady and easy."

If, however, I were to answer the question solely as expressed in your subject line, my answer would be: I suppose it isn't necessary, except that as long as the body is getting in the way it takes a dramatically greater amount of mental skill to get the body out of the way.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby gerry456 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:38 pm

I'm very much inclined to degree as I learnt a dis-identifying method. This method involved lying still and slowly becoming aware of each layer and what it consists of and then finally dis identifying. I had no asana regime then and I feel it was good, but somehow lacking as it didn't address the body. Liber E does.
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2.21 We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby gerry456 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:18 pm

Jim you described Arch Freemasonry as a path to Briatic consciousness. How so? As far as I know Masons are not required to do the GW (asana, dharana so on) but they are involved in rituals.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:25 pm

gerry456 wrote:Jim you described Arch Freemasonry as a path to Briatic consciousness.

I doubt I did that. I suspect you are recalling one of the times when I said that the ritual symbolizes withdrawing the three specific veils that are suspended through Raja Yoga, to disclose that which is hidden within.

But that's just a symbolic rite. I have no reason to believe that (other than in the rare, one in a millionth person who is perfectly primed) it would actually be "a path to Briatic consciousness" for anyone.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby gerry456 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:39 am

I found it Jim thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T96_AOYwiss 29m45s in, yes you describe Briatic consciousness as being symbolized by that particular Masonic degree. What are those symbols? The 3rd degree tracing board? ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_r ... acing1.jpg
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:38 am

The core element (with all the story elements wrapped around it in the different jurisdictions and variations) is that one approaches the inmost mystery through a narrow passageway where three veils are withdrawn (physical sensation, reactive emotion, and intellect), behind one which find the inmost secret, preserved through all time, which is ineffable (or, at least, cannot be pronounced alone).

When delivered well, it at least places one in the right psychological state to behold the mystery.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby gerry456 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:37 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:The core element (with all the story elements wrapped around it in the different jurisdictions and variations) is that one approaches the inmost mystery through a narrow passageway where three veils are withdrawn (physical sensation, reactive emotion, and intellect), behind one which find the inmost secret, preserved through all time, which is ineffable (or, at least, cannot be pronounced alone).

When delivered well, it at least places one in the right psychological state to behold the mystery.


That's cool.
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Re: Briatic consciousness without asana regime?

Postby Hermitas » Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:21 pm

Hmm.. That's interesting. I'm definitely at a loss for not knowing these stories that go along with grades/experiences.
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