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Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:41 am

I try to understand the Color Scales (201-208) but I can visualize precisely the colors, I'm a little confused :?:
e.g. Whats the difference about Emerald and Emerald Green?
What kind of color is Blue emerald green? And Sea Green?
Can you tell me some reference about the color?
Where I can get the HEX or RGB code of the colors listed in the eight charts (201-208)?
At least some advice.

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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:03 am

I forgot to ask: when is written Red-orange, Green-gray, Blue-green, etc...
What is the meaning?
How can I interpret?

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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:49 am

MMe wrote:I forgot to ask: when is written Red-orange, Green-gray, Blue-green, etc...
What is the meaning?
How can I interpret?

That's a standard way of writing a color half-way between the two. If you are mixing paints, you would mix equal amounts of a a pure tone of the two (e.g., equal parts red and orange, to get a color half-way between them).
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:57 am

MMe wrote:e.g. Whats the difference about Emerald and Emerald Green?

Actually, there isn't any difference in that case. (Aren't those on two different sets of the tables? the first set preserves the Golden Dawn originals, which were based on Windsor Newton London watercolors that haven't changed their formulae in over a century, and were the exact colors used by Moina Mathers - so we know what she intended. The second set of tables was provided to state the colors more precisely in more modern language.)

What kind of color is Blue emerald green? And Sea Green?

The use of "Sea Green" originally meant "the color called Sea Green in the commercial water color product by Windsor Newton, London formulation." - Generally, though, you can get these from a dictionary. "Sea Green" is a clear, light, bluish-green: I'd call it green-blue-green (i.e., the green side of blue-green, halfway between green and blue-green). "Emerald green" was used in those color labels to mean the purest intense mid-tone color of green, and "blue emerald green" means you add a little blue to this.

Can you tell me some reference about the color?

See above.

can get the HEX or RGB code of the colors listed in the eight charts (201-208)?

No idea. Nobody has compiled it. A pure red doesn't even exist in RGB (the "full red" in RGB is slightly too orangish, and there is the added problem that the output medium - what screen you're using, and what video card - affects how these look.

The following might be useful to you - it's not quite right because of the exact RGB problems, but it was my best effort a few years ago. Here are King scale colors of the 22 Paths (Mothers above Doubles above Simples):
http://aumha.org/arcane/pastos.htm
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:35 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:Actually, there isn't any difference in that case. (Aren't those on two different sets of the tables?

No:
Emerald Green Table 201 Row 14 and Row 22
Emerald Table 202 Row 7
Jim Eshelman wrote:The second set of tables was provided to state the colors more precisely in more modern language.)

So is to prefer/study this one?
Jim Eshelman wrote:The following might be useful to you - it's not quite right because of the exact RGB problems, but it was my best effort a few years ago. Here are King scale colors of the 22 Paths (Mothers above Doubles above Simples):
http://aumha.org/arcane/pastos.htm

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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:17 am

I think the second set is more accurate - which is the reason I provided it. But the first one is useful because it uses the exact color names for Windsor Newton that Mathers used.
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby horustheantichrist » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:17 pm

MMe wrote:Where I can get the HEX or RGB code of the colors listed in the eight charts (201-208)?

It's amazing how far we've come.

BTW - best thing I've read today ;-)
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:14 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
MMe wrote:I forgot to ask: when is written Red-orange, Green-gray, Blue-green, etc...
What is the meaning?
How can I interpret?

That's a standard way of writing a color half-way between the two. If you are mixing paints, you would mix equal amounts of a a pure tone of the two (e.g., equal parts red and orange, to get a color half-way between them).

If I have understood correctly, I can call Grey as White-Black, right?

horustheantichrist wrote:It's amazing how far we've come.

BTW - best thing I've read today ;-)

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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:19 am

MMe wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
MMe wrote:I forgot to ask: when is written Red-orange, Green-gray, Blue-green, etc...
What is the meaning?
How can I interpret?

That's a standard way of writing a color half-way between the two. If you are mixing paints, you would mix equal amounts of a a pure tone of the two (e.g., equal parts red and orange, to get a color half-way between them).

If I have understood correctly, I can call Grey as White-Black, right?

Sure :D
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:12 pm

The 12 zodiacal signs are successive steps around the color wheel/spectrum: R, RO, O, OY, etc.
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:33 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:the first set preserves the Golden Dawn originals, which were based on Windsor Newton London watercolors that haven't changed their formulae in over a century, and were the exact colors used by Moina Mathers - so we know what she intended. The second set of tables was provided to state the colors more precisely in more modern language.)

The difference between the two sets of table are only in terminology?
Are the colors remaining the same?
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:07 am

MMe wrote:The difference between the two sets of table are only in terminology?
Are the colors remaining the same?

Not always.

I'd have to go back and compare line by line to find the differences. I worked out the fine points well over a decade ago. In some cases, the differences are just clarifications and refinements - for example, note that several Sephiroth in col. 205 emphasize that the color is a bright form of the color. Line 8 is lavendar, which is a quite specific clarification of violet-purple. Of the different blues, line 13 (often thought pale) is specifically emphasized as blue that is infused with white light. Line 19 is different (I think what I've given in col. 205 reflects what the flat color/paint representation in 201 was trying to capture). Later paths have toning shifts. Line 32 bis is distinctly different.

And then you can see these differences cascade down the scales as the King Scale impacts the others.

And so forth - you can do your own comparisons of the different columns and see.
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby MMe » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:39 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:And so forth - you can do your own comparisons of the different columns and see.

Thanks for the clarification.

The The 7 Prismatic Colors (violet being outside):
Are Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue and Violet?
I Ask you because yestarday I've been all day searching them, and sometime give me indigo, sometime no cyan, etc... :cry:
How should I visualize? Rayed or circular?
White, red, yellow, blue, black (black outside) rayed or circular?
Citrine, olive, russet and black and Citrine, olive,russet and black, flecked with gold are to visualize as quarter?
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Re: Color Scales Reference

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:04 am

MMe wrote:The The 7 Prismatic Colors (violet being outside):
Are Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue and Violet?

Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet

How should I visualize? Rayed or circular?

It doesn't matter much... but concentric circles or a rainbow work great.

Citrine, olive, russet and black and Citrine, olive,russet and black, flecked with gold are to visualize as quarter?

Commmonly but not invariably.
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