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The Thelemic Mass

Postby Fr. A.U.N. » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:23 am

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Do what thou Willt shall be the whole of the Law.

I have a few questions regarding this mass in comparison to Liber XV, on which I hope you would shed some light.

The first one is about the Gnostic and Catholic Church mentioned in the creed. Is that the same EGC in O.T.O? I seriously doubt so when I see the rest of the Mass, so if not, would you elaborate this for me please?
The second is about the pillars; The usual arrangement is the white to the south and the black to the west, symbolizing the tree of life pillars. What is the logic behind this arrangement (the red in the south and the white in the west)?
The third is about the saints arrangement, which I like very much and see the logic. I'd like to hear yours for a confirmation.

I would also like to further expand my inquiries, but wouldn't like to water it down, so this is the beginning.

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Re: The Thelemic Mass

Postby Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:40 am

Fr. A.U.N. wrote:The first one is about the Gnostic and Catholic Church mentioned in the creed. Is that the same EGC in O.T.O?

No, those are adjectives, not a name. It refers to the one universal Church - the same thing spoken of in Cloud Upon the Sanctuary. It isn't referring to any mundane organization with the same or a similar name.

The second is about the pillars; The usual arrangement is the white to the south and the black to the west, symbolizing the tree of life pillars. What is the logic behind this arrangement (the red in the south and the white in the west)?

This is the pattern used within Temple of Thelema. However, any explanation (beyond the most superficial) is only given to initiates of Temple of Thelema as part of their training in a particular degree.

The third is about the saints arrangement, which I like very much and see the logic. I'd like to hear yours for a confirmation.

I'm not going to go item by item. If you have a particular question on one or two of them, I'll be happy to answer.
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Re: The Thelemic Mass

Postby Fr. A.U.N. » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:40 am

Thank you for the answers on the first two. I can see how the third one was unclear, so let me rephrase it - I like it very much how you added the female saints to a lithany "The Earth" and renamed the one with male saints to "The Lion-Serpent". That pretty much answers my question by itself, and is a very elegant and beautifull solution. We here in Split started using it in our performance of The Mass, hope you don't mind.
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Re: The Thelemic Mass

Postby Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:50 am

We are honored.
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