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The next most subtle or inward of the Four Worlds is the World of Yetzirah
danica wrote:I think I saw one typing errorThe next most subtle or inward of the Four Worlds is the World of Yetzirah
you probably ment more subtle here?
AvshalomBinyamin wrote:Yes, it's overall very clear, without being remedial. I especially liked the last sentence in the Yetzirah paragraph. It says a lot in very little space.
IMO the second paragraph could use some elaboration. For someone who isn't already familiar with the four worlds, it seems like it would be a little confusing - which order are the worlds being listed? what is meant by emerging? why is the plane of the creator the fourth world and not the creative world?
the atlas itch wrote:I wish you made a clearer distinction between Briah and Atziluth in terms of the “Creative” aspect (same observation as AB above)
The term “archetype” always brings Jung to mind and, by extension, I associate the Jungian archetypal realm with Daath. How is the archetypal world of Atziluth different from this popular understanding of “archetypes”?
I would like to know whether these Four Worlds represent the totality of all attainable reality or the totality of reality attainable for a human being.
It would be nice to see a clear explanation of the causal relationship between these Worlds (i.e. in order to cause change in Assiah, you must stimulate the plane Yetzirah or higher, etc)
You describe the Four Worlds as “progressively rarified strata of existence”. This description evokes a hierarchical relationship between the Four Worlds.
Hence, as you write, “most humans have lived their entire lives oblivious to this stratum of consciousness [Briah]”, but have the capacity to wake up into this Creative World. These descriptions reinforce the traditional hierarchical model of the Four Worlds.
But isn’t it equally correct to conceive of the here and now as a mixture of the Four Worlds and the ascent up the Tree be conceived as a shutting down the influences of the various worlds via meditation or whatever?
However, as I read your introduction, it seems you are suggesting the ascent up the Tree opens up new and hitherto unknown realities to the aspirant rather than already-present realities in the background coming to the forefront of consciousness. It would help if this point was clarified.
Along similar lines, in the Kabbalistic Theory of Emanations, each sephiroth is composed of the emanations of the preceding higher sephiroths and can the same theory be applied to the relationship between the Four Worlds?
What is the difference between the four elements of the Tetragrammaton and the four elements of the Microcosm?
Jim Eshelman wrote:Thanks for both of these. - Let me ask you (though probably you've already implicitly answered above), do you think the subequent paragraphs resolve this? Or do they leave the reader hanging too long? (I have a kinda easy fix for it that has some compositional awkwardnesses, but I'm sure it can be handled.)
The three densest of these worlds have Hebrew names that mean (starting with the densest) “making,” “forming,” and “creating” (which essentially means “conceiving”). The fourth world is the plane of the creator. One can grasp, intuitively, how each denser world emerges out of the more rarified, abstract world above; formation emerges out of creation/conception, and making/action is subsequent to formation.
gurugeorge wrote:Great stuff, very clear and concise. One thing I'd say though, for a total beginner of a sceptical bent, the notion of a "world" might be a stumbling block (wtf does he mean by "world"???). What's the Hebrew word being translated as "world"? Maybe a short paragraph about that?
AvshalomBinyamin wrote:Really cool! (I was going to ask if you were going to make that connection at some point, but forgot to mention it)... I always like the OT tie-ins to the subject (so many of us started judeo/christian, 'rebelled' and then rediscovered our origins from a different perspective, so the tie-ins are always a bit mind-opening)
Jim Eshelman wrote:Though a more extreme and lengthy rewrite, what do you think of taking the second paragraph down this road?
The names of these Worlds trace to Isaiah 43:7, where God (YHVH) is credited as saying, “All that is called in my Name: for to my Glory I have created it (BRAThYV), I have formed it (YTzRThYV), and I have made it (OShYThYV).” Thus, the final three of the four Worlds (expressed in the letters of the Divine Name YHVH, and beginning with the densest) are titled OShYH, Assiah, “action or making;” YTzRH, Yetzirah, “formation;” and BRYAH, Briah, “creation” (which essentially means “conceiving”). The fourth world, Atziluth, is the plane of the creator.
Veronica wrote:Is it the world of tangible matter?
Is that where the other worlds can materialize?
As someone who has no real understanding of this subject I found your intro very helpful, but I did also wonder why do you divide into four worlds?
How does seeing these four worlds aid us?
Can these four worlds be parralled to humanities overall development, or of a humans physcial developement?
How do these worlds help us relate to the Tree?
just some extra question.
Thank you very much for sharing this BTW, I found it very interesting and helpful:)
Alrah wrote:Just one question... what makes the higher worlds 'high, and lower worlds 'low'? I'm sure some of the more well read people on eastern philosophy coming into the subject would want to know that, as the eastern schools do away the hierarchy.
there is currenly no argument that can shore up the four worlds hierarchy except for: 'this is the way it is', which just looks like the usual excuse for any hierarchy on earth
Jim Eshelman wrote:Alrah wrote:Just one question... what makes the higher worlds 'high, and lower worlds 'low'? I'm sure some of the more well read people on eastern philosophy coming into the subject would want to know that, as the eastern schools do away the hierarchy.
The most honest answer is: Convention. The history of it, I'm sure, is as simple as "God is up, Earth is down."
In modern times we could address it in terms of vibratory rates. "Higher" means "higher rate of vibration." This matches all observations I can think of and, in particular, the more-vs.-less rarified scale.
There is also the standard occult teaching that by "higher" we mean "inner," and by "lower" we mean "outer."
The three densest of these worlds have Hebrew names that mean “making,” which emerges from “forming,” which in turn comes from “creating” (which essentially means “conceiving”). The fourth world is the plane of the creator.
The densest of these worlds has a Hebrew name that means "making." This world has its source in the more subtle world of "forming," which in turn derives from the still more subtle world of "creating." The world of "creating" (which essentially means "conceiving") emerges from the fourth and highest world, that of pure spiritual essense, or the plane of the creator.
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