January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

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January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Hermitas » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:19 am

Ehh,.. That evidence only suggests that there was no widespread domestication of camels, as in being used instead of donkeys in mines. "Decades after David" means Solomon, and I think that's telling. He was reportedly a kingdom and trade expander.

However, one could make the case that camels were rare but in use. Abraham came from Ur (Iraq) where camels seem to have already been widely domesticated. That's a long trip. I doubt he took donkeys, but probably camels like the Hebrew Scriptures say - a foreigner in a foreign land with foreign practices. I think it's a pretty big scholarly leap to say "no domesticated camels" instead of perhaps few and not used widespread. Textual evidence is evidence too, and the archaeological evidence seems limited specifically to use in mines. I think they're being somewhat broad in applying their findings.
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Re: January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:52 am

Legis wrote:Textual evidence is evidence too

Yes, but of a very weak kind IMHO. (E.g., I don't take the Gospels as evidence - even weak evidence - that a person named Jesus ever existed.)

the archaeological evidence seems limited specifically to use in mines. I think they're being somewhat broad in applying their findings.

Perhaps. Thus my post was phrased conjecturally.

Mostly I wanted to use this to stir awareness that when we use 21st Century western thinking to assess what a given Hebrew letter or word means, we need to consider not so much what it means to us today, or even to Hebrew-speaking people today, but what and when and how the idea arose in its original context. I've long been a stand for etymology as a key to understanding these ideas; I am now suggesting that what we might term cultural etymology, the emergence of word-linked meaning in a particular time-and-place context, is also a factor.

And, in this case, it's reinforcement of something already known: That these texts were almost certainly written (or at least significantly rewritten) centuries or millennia after the times they allegedly report.
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Re: January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Hermitas » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:46 am

All good thoughts.

Here's something that touches on the root GML. It's really about GMR, considered a "cognate root," but the first paragraph has some interesting information. (For those who don't know it, for a really long time, Hebrew didn't include any symbols for the vowels used, so you just had to use context. Vowel-points came much later to preserve the pronunciation.)

http://www.ts.mu.edu/readers/content/pdf/14/14.4/14.4.4.pdf

Makes for an interesting link between gimel, gamal (camel), and completion, fulfillment, or even perseverance.
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Re: January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:56 am

Legis wrote:Here's something that touches on the root GML. It's really about GMR, considered a "cognate root," but the first paragraph has some interesting information.

That wouldn't open for me, but responding to the rest of your content...

I don't think that's likely true. The triliteral root GML (root of words like gimel, the letter nanme, and gamal, "camel") means "to bear, i.e., carry." This is so straightforward, and the maternal pregnancy / bearing elements are so lucid, and it is so literal a fit, that it seems unlikely it rests on a differently spelled root.
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January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Hermitas » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:24 am

Hmmm.. Well, I'll check their sources at some point to see if I can't figure out where the diversity comes in. I don't intend to post nonsense anyway...
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Re: January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Gnosomai Emauton » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:55 pm

Since the most compelling archeological evidence I've seen thus far places the compiling/writing of the Jewish bible during the Babylonian captivity, I don't find this very shocking (this is reflected in the NYTimes article but is in no way a new concept). The epochal difference between the legendary reign of David (c. 1000 BCE) and the compilation of the Torah and Histories by Ezra (c. 580 BCE) is roughly equal to that of the legendary Trojan War (c. 1200 BCE) and its telling by Homer (c. 850 BCE) and should be given about as much historical credence.

Camels were common throughout the Middle East by the time the 12 tribes coalesced into a singular "people" so there was no reason, as they backdated their legendary history, for the newly united Israelites to assume that hadn't been true since the creation. If modern day creationists can still convince themselves that two Camels stepped off of Noah's ark and repopulated the world in the exact shape and distribution that we see today, why should we expect any better from their ancient forebears?

As to the occult underpinnings of this, my understanding of the unbroken chain bridges from the Babylonians to the Hebrews at this exact juncture. Prior to the Babylonian captivity, there were many tribes of Canaanite religious diversity, several of which, the Habiru, the Bnai Yisra'el, and the Yehuda, ultimately lent their names to the conglomerate which, led by the educated/ruling/guiding priests, were sent to the Levant to get them out of the Persians' hair. These priests had trained under the Babylonian Magi (some of them likely were Babylonians with a desire to lead rather than living out their lives as mid-level temple priests [personal conjecture]) and brought that knowledge with them as they molded the new religion which combined and syncretized all the various beliefs and legends of their diverse flock. 300 years of relative peace later (along with regular contact with the Hellenistic Mysteries on their western border), the Israelite Magi surpassed their Babylonian forebears who were crushed under the war-machines of the East thus providing the next link in the chain which ultimately carried the hidden truth down to the present day.

If Gimel does map to Camel (which it does seem to do), it was this period and locale of camel-saturation, and this exodus across the Arabian "Abyss" on camel-back from Babylon to the Promised Land in which that happened. IMHO.
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January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Hermitas » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:38 pm

The more I look around at the etymology (not the definition) the more I see that GML originated as "complete," which evolved into both "gawmawl" complete -> ripen, requite, recompense and "gawmal," complete -> labor, carry.
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Re: January 8-10, 2014: II. The Priestess

Postby Anael Lucis » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 am

Priestess holds bow and arrows in her lap – makes me think of direct path from Tiphareth to Kether; also association to Diana and Artemis which just sort of came automatically - and upon reflecting I realized both are lunar Goddesses, both use bow and arrow. I also get a strong association with Isis - who is also a lunar goddess and is associated with fertility, just like the Priestess. Her crown is featuring full moon potentially. She is sitting on isosceles trapezoid which is often used in ancient architecture (the white color of her seat is white and reminds of stone slab). For instance Temple of Dendur – Egyptian temple dedicated to Isis – is a isosceles trapezoid - the very form upon which Priestess is sitting. Her lower body also holds the posture of typical Egyptian deities.

Her face seems to me to be that of an oracle (Oracle of Delphi?). Her eyes are covered and she wears Lunar headdress: she is somewhat hidden, she can see past what eyes can see and past external appearances, she uses her intuition as a means to knowing. Her face holds meditative expression or that of trance - again connecting to Delphi Oracle.

Lunar presence refers to the subconscious mind; strong watery presence in the card which connects to the idea that Moon affects the waters (tides) - both waters in a literal sense and psychologically - tides within one's psyche. Then there is also influence of Moon on a woman and her menstrual cycle.

Kether – which is light that can’t be beheld in an embodied state is translated into its closest counterpart on a lower/physical plane – that of Sun - by the virtue of the Priestess - which is kindness and protection of her nurturing energy: she provides an opportunity to behold the spirit of God while preserving the embodied state. Since Tiphereth is the Son - male - it makes sense that the path Gibel is of the feminine attribution - bearing forth the son.

The bow (on her lap) with her legs forms the shape of the female reproductive system - her bow curling on each side resembles woman’s Fallopian tubes; her feet labias potentially.

Her body is white and shiny like Luna - cooling and healing - reflecting the light of the Sun/Tiphereth; but also reflecting the light of Kether - of the ultimate.

Camel – secure transportation through the dessert of one’s spiritual path; camel embodies qualities of resilience and endurance.

Indra's net - holding the thread of all the parts that compose the whole – net of interconnectedness. Indicating to me the following - just like mother (one aspect of the Priestess) is connected to the child with invisible thread/bond – so are we all connected to one another - Priestess might be a reminder of this – there is no nourishment/fruit/productivity without cultivation and nurturing. Growth comes from care, application of loving action – which is metaphorically portrayed by the image of fruits and flowers which only come forth when all that is necessary is present – all material causes and especially intention to nourish and cultivate. In this net of interconnectedness all becomes One and the foundation for this understanding is rooted in Love, openness and connection.

The net could also in a way be strings of the instrument, something harp-like I imagine. Over the net there are patterns that could also indicate vibrations of the strings (especially how they manifest in water), forming beautiful, geometric patterns - the interference pattern of the waves. Geometry which is the basis of the physical universe is evident in the card also by spotting the pentagram at the center of the flower on the left; furthermore geometric crystal forms, acorn which is a reflection of the Fibonacci's sequence, etc.

If the net may also represent space and time - then here she can be seen bending space and time – by her blessing can a practitioner find a spiritual shortcut or a more swift path from one point to the next - spiritually speaking - Gibel presenting a direct path from Tiphereth to Kether can be one way to interpret this -
symbolizing that one may pave shortcut to the highest through development of the quality of uninhibited and indiscriminate Love.

Shape of the upper part of the “net” forms the bottom and sides of a vessel – indicates receptivity, and inside are the blues and greens of a liquid with subtle patterns that indicate interference pattern of the waves.
She is quite stunning and sublime in her representation. She is graceful, elegant, fluid like water, yielding, not blocking; skillful as she is not blocked by any obstacle – like water – and still continuing to “flow” without interruption. She is cooling and radiant. She nurtures and overlooks/cares for all things. Her gardens are abundant and beautiful. All under her wing prospers and is headed toward ripening. She is surrounded with riches as she takes care, hence growth causes more growth and she never lacks. She is generous. She contains things in herself – she bears and holds all life – supporting it – yet gives it space to expand.

There is something else - she doesn’t feel like a mother in a regular sense to mem. She embodies qualities of a mother yet there is a sense of purity within her as if she is a Virgin in some sense – untouched, unstained… Her title is Priestess and aren’t priestesses supposed to be virgins?

I sense the connection with Sirius – the blue star (also connected to Isis)

She feels like an intermediary between the cosmos and the earth realm - somehow. She reminds me of a Bird of Paradise - a mythical woman-bird.
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