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We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world. Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die: verily thou shalt not die, but live. Now let it be understood: If the body of the King dissolve, he shall remain in pure ecstasy for ever. Nuit! Hadit! Ra-Hoor-Khuit! The Sun, Strength & Sight, Light; these are for the servants of the Star & the Snake.
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Please look at the top of the thread for the topic.
Here's a statistical analysis of measuring Trump so far.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/we ... -we-found/
We're at the bear repellent level of causation for any improvements you are noticing from your van. My bear repellent lucky penny is working today too!
the occasional liberal interruption of "oh but that's awful! and should be restricted."
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:the occasional liberal interruption of "oh but that's awful! and should be restricted."
I didn't realize my strong anti-Trump opinion was restricting you from your opinions. You best come Liber Oz me.![]()
Seriously though, I'm out. We'll get to see in person whether our institutions can save the assault, or whether we'll descend into another century of madness, and I'll have to reclaim my share of violence from the state to become an American Nazi hunter in the back 9 of this incarnation. As glorious as that sounds, I hope for the former.
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Victor wrote:
My remarks on violence was simply stating a fact. The tree of liberty has been watered with the blood of tyrants and martyrs, to paraphrase Jefferson.
What does it then mean, this shirking away at the thought of violence? It doesn't make sense, unless this outward display of peacefulness actually masks the brutal exercise of power.
Let's be practical. Decide we raise a civilization against violence, make them by design runaway or cower or simply ignore. Every so often there's a fluke birth. Kid can't seem to learn! Fucker is violent!
wham! your society is now down for the count. Gone. Wiped by the violence it preyed upon itself to wipe. Gone. Gone. Gone.
Practical? Relevant?
Gone.
Hermitas wrote:
"We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world."
How do we know they are "old order?"
Perhaps you are among those attempting to thwart these rights?
Takamba wrote:You clearly don't understand Liber OZ.
Takamba wrote:This is a hopeless conversation. Reason can't seem to take hold.
You clearly don't understand Liber OZ.
There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss. He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason.
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Takamba wrote:This is a hopeless conversation. Reason can't seem to take hold.You clearly don't understand Liber OZ.There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss. He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason.
Oh, the irony.
Seriously, Takamba, when you're going around saying that people don't understand Thelema or Liber Oz because they disagree with you, or are thwarting people's rights by suggesting that we be less violent than our ancestors, you've lost the thread.
Fights to the death over oranges are situations that exist when you do politics wrong.
Again, people, this isn't hard. It's just politics. It's not metaphysics.
Let's not be fascists and nazis. There are better ways that work much better for everyone.
Trump is doing the classic fascist autocrat move of (1) riding in on populist energy (2) accusing all the governmental institutions of corruption so that (3) there'll be less institutions in place to stop him from seizing more power and doing the corrupt things he wants to do.
Don't be a stupid person that falls for it. It's not worth it, no matter how much better one imagines they might feel while fighting over an orange for the sake of True WIll.
Takamba wrote:
A: The Law is for all.
B: The rights of Man are for all.
(If one, or many, or any thing would thwart these rights, they would not be following the Law. They would not be doing their will. Not "True Will."
If thou hast broken one commandment, thou hast broken them all. Or something old but useful like that. All words and prophets and so forth, save you might only understand a little.
No one has argued against compassion (understanding how someone feels and wishing them well).
No one has argued against striving to have the entire species enlarged so (so as maybe these questions aren't so hard to understand and answer well).
Instead we want our mommy cuddled natures instead to be our definers of compassion (whatever won't maybe hurt in the process).
No. I don't want my mommy cuddled nature, I want my self reliant, self determined, fraternally appreciative True Self nature.
So thank me for saying no to giving you a free lunch, but later if you would help me I have a bunch of fruit I have to get rid of.
I just don't think you get Liber OZ.
You can disagree, but when it's your mammalian brain in charge, it isn't anywhere near sufficient language centers to convey the true benefit to the entire species you dream of. (Note, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking about society within a topic about politics.)
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:1980s schtick about liberals and "nanny/mommy state" and "big government" aside, Democrats are the only fiscal conservatives in the room. Republicans/Trump just passed tax cuts for the wealthy and raised the debt limit. Their proposed budget guts social services to spend HUGE sums on the military.
They don't want to help. They want to get richer at the public's expense. So their trick for generations has been to whine about nanny states, and bleeding heart liberals, so that people would be outraged, and they could do more looting.
And you fell for it, Takamba. They even have you working for free.
Looting the future at the expense of the next generation is the behavior of the Black Brotherhood.
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:1980s schtick about liberals and "nanny/mommy state" and "big government" aside, Democrats are the only fiscal conservatives in the room. Republicans/Trump just passed tax cuts for the wealthy and raised the debt limit. Their proposed budget guts social services to spend HUGE sums on the military.
They don't want to help. They want to get richer at the public's expense. So their trick for generations has been to whine about nanny states, and bleeding heart liberals, so that people would be outraged, and they could do more looting.
And you fell for it, Takamba. They even have you working for free.
Looting the future at the expense of the next generation is the behavior of the Black Brotherhood.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:
A: The Law is for all.
B: The rights of Man are for all.
Love is the law
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:(If one, or many, or any thing would thwart these rights, they would not be following the Law. They would not be doing their will. Not "True Will."
Self inflicted violations of our true will should also be applied, no? What do you do to yourself when you fail to express your true will?
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:If thou hast broken one commandment, thou hast broken them all. Or something old but useful like that. All words and prophets and so forth, save you might only understand a little.
Sounds like some form of punishment is coming. Acting outside of the true will would put one in conflict with the entire universe. I would suggest staying out of the way of that and let the universe do her thing.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:No one has argued against compassion (understanding how someone feels and wishing them well).
Compassion is more than just wishing someone well. It means you are bound up with them in their struggle for liberation.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:No one has argued against striving to have the entire species enlarged so (so as maybe these questions aren't so hard to understand and answer well).
That's not what it reads like, perhaps what you intend to communicate is being lost somehow. The "right to kill those who thwart rights" and something something Donald Trump appears to being going in the opposite direction of continued historical progress.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:
Instead we want our mommy cuddled natures instead to be our definers of compassion (whatever won't maybe hurt in the process).
I want the leaping laughter!
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:No. I don't want my mommy cuddled nature, I want my self reliant, self determined, fraternally appreciative True Self nature.
True Self nature is naturally in harmony with all true self natures. It is a collaborative sport, consciousness. No one really does anything all on their own. You would not even know who you are without others.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:So thank me for saying no to giving you a free lunch, but later if you would help me I have a bunch of fruit I have to get rid of.
You know...I remember reading in Crowley's Autohaigraphy, about him buying lunch for a friend under financial stress. Little moments like that always redeemed Crowley a bit from his more macho tough guy road show.
oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote:I just don't think you get Liber OZ.
Who can say, really. I don't think a few of us get you, to be more precise. But I do want to understand, and see what you can see.
[/quote]oldfriend56 wrote:Takamba wrote: You can disagree, but when it's your mammalian brain in charge, it isn't anywhere near sufficient language centers to convey the true benefit to the entire species you dream of. (Note, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking about society within a topic about politics.)
Ahhh, coming full circle back to the original quote from Liber Al - COMPASSION IS THE VICE OF KINGS. exactly. the mammal intelligence is clueless. The spirit king needs his juice, compassion, to light the way, get through all of the confusion.
The entire universe is a win win sport if you know how to read the tea leaves
Takamba wrote:If I can't mention the feelings of "mama cuddled" individuals without you referring to it as a "schtick," you have no place in an adult discussion.
Avshalom Binyamin wrote:Takamba wrote:If I can't mention the feelings of "mama cuddled" individuals without you referring to it as a "schtick," you have no place in an adult discussion.
Incorrect. There wasn't an adult discussion happening.
It's projection. You have unresolved mama issues, which manifest in rejection of the collective that we all belong to, fear of surrender, and over-reliance on ego-separation.
Yes, we need strong, independent, competitive, ego drive. And we also need full, deep, cooperative surrender to the whole. We need Nuit and Hadit. Over-reliance on the first got us where we are, but we've outgrown it. It's time for us to enter the new Aeon. I know it's scary, but if you let your fear of the Nuit half of the equation drive you, then you're on the wrong path.
In the meantime, Trump has proposed a $1 trillion dollar annual deficit. Obama entered office with a $1.3 trillion dollar annual deficit, inherited from Bush. Obama cut the deficit down to about $500 billion by the time he left office.
The well-being index looked at well-being with five measures: purpose, social, financial, community and physical.
21 states saw a drop in well-being from 2016 to 2017, beating the previous high of 15 set amid the onset of the recession in 2009. Not a single state recorded a statistically significant increase in well-being, the first time that has happened since the study began.
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