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horustheantichrist wrote:I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
The Greater is especially good for invoking all the Elements in balanced disposition, under the regency of Spirit.
horustheantichrist wrote:Thank you for your prompt reply Jim. What is the difference between the lesser and the greater? Why use one over the other?
horustheantichrist wrote:Why do the pentagram rituals work?
Where did they come from? I know that they are GD rituals, but where did the GD get them?
Dar wrote:Other folks will point to the power of suggestion and point to the fact that people can be induced to see pink elephants as evidence for this belief.
Frater S.R. wrote:a) LBRP
b) No Qabalistic Cross (because you did this in the last step of LBRP)
I have the same question about the Greater Ritual of the Hexagram.
Jim Eshelman wrote:3) Toward East:
--- a) Make invoking Active Spirit Pentagram with AHIH + SIgn of Opening the Veil
--- b) Make invoking Fire pentagram with ALHIM + 4=7 sign
bdc wrote:Jim Eshelman wrote:3) Toward East:
--- a) Make invoking Active Spirit Pentagram with AHIH + SIgn of Opening the Veil
--- b) Make invoking Fire pentagram with ALHIM + 4=7 sign
what are your thoughts on the golden dawn's application of enochian aspects to this section? i know you mentioned above that it is a matter of context, however i get the impression from studying the golden dawn material that they were keen on incorporating enochian aspects whenever they could, to such an extent that the golden dawn's surpreme pentagram ritual incorporating the tablet of union and enochian god names is pretty much presented as the standard, with the version of the greater pentagram ritual you have outlined here seeming like an adaptation (though i presume it is rather the other way round).
crowley doesn't cover the supreme pentagram rituals in any detail in his published works, though his version of the bornless ritual incorporates the sigils and names of the enochian elemental kings.
i've lately been considering a series of rituals, taking place over several days or even weeks, by which an individual, solitary practitioner such as myself - who is unable to join organisations physically - might explore the elements via the pentagram rituals (after of course a long period of working with the lesser banishing and invoking rituals of the pentagram, middle pillar, meditation and asana).
for spirit then, one has the opening of the portal to explore. is it possible to use the lesser ritual of pentagram to invoke spirit active?
Jim Eshelman wrote:there is an entirely different (unpublished) Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, which has a cherished place in our training system.
bdc wrote:Jim Eshelman wrote:there is an entirely different (unpublished) Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, which has a cherished place in our training system.
i have seen a note on a "true greater ritual of the pentagram", claimed to have been written by crowley "on a train to india" in 1906, which places the magician above tiphareth on the path of gimel, involving both normal and inverted pentagrams and almost entirely egyptian godnames... is this the one you are referring to?
bdc wrote:if one wishes to invoke a specific element, let's say "fire" for example, what exactly is the difference with regards to efficacy between the lesser ritual invoking fire and the supreme ritual invoking fire?
obviously spirit is involved in the latter, would this imply that it is only suitable once the adept has made their own development of working with all the elements one after the other?
and also, with regards to a pure elemental invocation, there is the simple question of why use the supreme when one can use the lesser?
finally, returning back to your summary for the supreme:
3) Toward East:
--- a) Make invoking Active Spirit Pentagram with AHIH + SIgn of Opening the Veil
--- b) Make invoking Fire pentagram with ALHIM + 4=7 sign
is one not using the spirit wheel and kerubic signs in the supreme in this case?
and with regard to the latter, is it more or less suitable to replace the eagle symbol with that of scorpio in the case of water?
1) Face East
2) Qabalistic Cross
3) Toward East:
--- a) Make invoking Active Spirit Pentagram with AHIH + SIgn of Opening the Veil
--- b) Make invoking Fire pentagram with ALHIM + 4=7 sign
4) Carry the line around to the South and repeat (3).
5) Carry the line around to the West and repeat (3).
6) Carry the line around to the North and repeat (3).
7) Close the circle to the East.Usual section with the Archangels &c.
9) Qab Cross
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