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seekinghga wrote:Is this supposed to be related to the feeling of loss that one feels when the things that were once valuable to him must lose their worth? Such as when making hallow the consciousness? I have read the essay on sorrow by Crowley.
Aum418 wrote:seekinghga wrote:93,
Is this supposed to be related to the feeling of loss that one feels when the things that were once valuable to him must lose their worth? Such as when making hallow the consciousness? I have read the essay on sorrow by Crowley. I am looking for contemporary points of view.
93,
The Trance of Sorrow is, to Crowley, the perception that all mundane affairs are transient. Nothing one can do in this world will last. This leads one to find the one thing that is permanent, Spirit (bad word, but you catch my drift?). The Trance of Sorrow is often the precursor to starting the Great Work because of this perception.
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Aum418 wrote:seekinghga wrote:93,
Is this supposed to be related to the feeling of loss that one feels when the things that were once valuable to him must lose their worth? Such as when making hallow the consciousness? I have read the essay on sorrow by Crowley. I am looking for contemporary points of view.
93,
The Trance of Sorrow is, to Crowley, the perception that all mundane affairs are transient. Nothing one can do in this world will last. This leads one to find the one thing that is permanent, Spirit (bad word, but you catch my drift?). The Trance of Sorrow is often the precursor to starting the Great Work because of this perception.
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seekinghga wrote:I must ask, as it has occurred to me:
Have any of you, after realizing the transience of it all, felt as if you are privy to some cosmic joke? You look at other people who are running to gather money, or buying things for their children's future, or seeking to become the next big rock band, or are planning "the rest of their lives" with a spouse, or are buying the best car, or are worshiping the biggest god, and yet they don't realize the futility of it. It is like, you know and they do not. Either they attempt to ignore it by acquiring wealth or fame, or they numb it with religion. Any thoughts at all on this?
seekinghga wrote:Have any of you, after realizing the transience of it all, felt as if you are privy to some cosmic joke?
You look at other people who are running to gather money, or buying things for their children's future, or seeking to become the next big rock band, or are planning "the rest of their lives" with a spouse, or are buying the best car, or are worshiping the biggest god, and yet they don't realize the futility of it.
seekinghga wrote:93,
Is this supposed to be related to the feeling of loss that one feels when the things that were once valuable to him must lose their worth? Such as when making hallow the consciousness? I have read the essay on sorrow by Crowley. I am looking for contemporary points of view.
Aum418 wrote:93,
Crowley puts it in the terms of becoming a Spiritual Being. In short, it is the experiential perception of the futility of looking for wholeness/stability/longevity in material things which leads one to the 'spiritual quest' which 'terminates' in Crossing the Abyss, annihilating all one is, was, and has. Only then can one master Sorrow, having become That which contains both sides of the coin in Itself.
If its a joke, its a bad one... then again every joke is at the expense of someone
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Frater LR wrote:
Whoever wrote that movie was ...insightful.
Jim Eshelman wrote:Sure. Why do you think the Buddha is laughing?
You look at other people who are running to gather money, or buying things for their children's future, or seeking to become the next big rock band, or are planning "the rest of their lives" with a spouse, or are buying the best car, or are worshiping the biggest god, and yet they don't realize the futility of it.
underabloodredsky wrote:You look at other people who are running to gather money, or buying things for their children's future, or seeking to become the next big rock band, or are planning "the rest of their lives" with a spouse, or are buying the best car, or are worshiping the biggest god, and yet they don't realize the futility of it.
That's your judgement, futility. You are projecting your values on to others. To "them" it may not be futile. Their way of thinking may give it meaning. What do you value? Learning, perhaps?
Be careful with these thoughts, you must confront it with its opposite. Indeed, from a certain perspective, is not all the universe just the play of consciousness? Whether it manifests itself in the "play" of atoms or elements in space, or the of the play of puppies, children, or man-children? What you ultimately strive for is beyond this dualistic notion.
Remember to seek psychic balance and harmony. If you get too melancholic, it will hinder your progress and dampen your inner light.
seekinghga wrote:To lock yourself away from the world, that is to say that "the world is transient and so there is no point in accepting or participating," (a form of what Crowley says, "willed dissociation") these are thoughts of the Black Brothers. As is the idea of saying that "they are fools for they cherish Maya and they are not worthy of me or my thought. I am a high-minded yogi or magician. I am 'here' and they are 'there'. They do not, can not, hold a candle to me." That is all pride-filled rubbish; the apotheosis of the transient Ego-consciousness. One must assimilate ALL of it--the "good" and the "bad," the internal and the external, the subjective and objective. Otherwise the Ego can not be held in check, it will be free to expand in its own world without an external "reality" with which to gauge and confine its growth.
"(The state of mind which is characterised by Indifference is commonly called Trance, but the misnomer is unfortunate. It is, in fact, in a sense the precise contrary of a Trance; for Trance usually implies Samadhi, and this state specifically excludes any such occurrence.) That implies a uniting, and this a willed dissociation. Yet there is nothing here to suggest necessarily any practice of the Black Brothers; for it is not, properly speaking, an Attainment, but rather a convenient attitude."
- LETT, Indifference
Jim Eshelman wrote:Of course, one then remembers (at once or eventually) the key of humor: "It ain't funny if it ain't real - and it ain't real if it ain't funny."
Jim Eshelman wrote:Astrologer Jayj Jacobs in the 1970s. Consistent with Jayj's wishes, I've totally stolen it ever sense![]()
(Because it's true! Funny, eh?)
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